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  • Carl

    I love the number plate. (pic)

    • johcar

      And coincidentally, it’s what they call in the UK a “P-reg” number plate. Apt, somehow, aside from the obvious, that is…

    • AL357

      The number plate in the pic below shows my agreement!
      Spotted in Timaru New World car park

  • George

    Imagine, if you will, playing scrabble with a seven year old. If they play their turn and they either misspell or make up a word, would you just give them the score so as to not hurt their feelings or would you correct them in the belief that they would learn from the correction? Both options have merit and I guess it would depend a lot on the nature of the child.

    It must be somewhat like that when John Key plays politics with Andrew Little. Angry Andrew makes up many words and his spelling is atrocious. When JK corrects his errors, instead of it being a learning experience, little Andrew throws his toys out of his cot, claims its not fair, and wants to change the rules. As I said, “What option you take would depend a lot on the nature of the child”.

    The Panama Papers have revealed nothing that wasn’t already known by all and sundry – That people and businesses use trusts. It is human nature to minimise your tax burden. Even though political donations aren’t tax deductable in this country it is more than desired by Labour that their cost for electioneering should be funded by the tax payer. If ever one needed a reason to use a tax haven, then this is it.

    Socialist are clumsy manipulators. They assume we all have the same IQ as your average socialist. But most of us are brighter than that. We can see through their agenda before you can say “hack me”. Hagar relies on the procedes of crime. This time, all he has managed to accessed is the names of those who go about their legal business and then gloats about breaching their privacy. Not much skill in that! But would you expect anything more from a looser? As for the MSM. They can’t distinguish the difference between a blow up doll and a Disney soft toy.

    • niggly

      The other disgusting thing is that the info was obtained by illegal hacking yet the NZ MSM manipulate and deceive the public by using false terms to describe the data theft i.e. as a “leak” or “leaked” by a “whistle-blower” etc.

      According to these reports the data was illegally hacked.
      http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/04/05/email_server_hack_led_to_mossack_fonseca_leak/
      http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/04/07/panama_papers_unpatched_wordpress_drupal/

      • And, they have the temerity to claim this is a moral issue. Give me strength.

    • Huia

      I played scrabble with my kids and grandkids.
      One 11 year old grandson put the word Raxi on the board one night, on enquiring what Raxi meant, we were told it was a Rat in a Taxi.
      We let him have it for sheer inventiveness when we stopped laughing.

    • Nige.

      I am in total awe of your very accurate analogy.

      • Hill16

        I played snakes and ladders with my 4 year old yesterday …. George described it perfectly!!

    • cows4me

      I don’t know why JK entertains these fools. I know he’s the PM and has to show some decorum but I would tell them to go and boil their heads.

      • MaryLou

        I thought he showed a bit more spine this morning than he did last time round. A bit more prepared, I thought.

        • cows4me

          It would be a political gamble but telling some of them to get a life every now and then probably wouldn’t do his polling any harm.

    • RockinBob625

      MSM – can you imagine Phillip Sherry reading that garbage today?

      Gospel of John, Chapter 11, verse 35.

      • niggly

        Ahh the “good old days” when tv (and radio) newsreaders did what they were employed to do – read the news!

        And in a neutral manner and definitely do not offer up one’s own personal opinion, let alone present one’s personal opinions as “fact”, like they do today).

  • Woody

    TV One News has started and the only reason I haven’t thrown a rock at my TV is because it is only 2 weeks old. Nothing illegal, perception, blah blah blah Oh and now Not a good look. Give me strength.

    • hookerphil

      Have not watched any Television “News” for quite some time so made a decision to watch it especially. Lasted 8 minutes and quite frankly was disgusted by what I saw.

      • Left Right Out

        anyone see 3news?? an curious if they are just as hysterical

        • Carl

          Not that bad. Tried to beat it up a bit.

    • pisces8284

      Step away from the television

      • Woody

        I did, went and carried on preparing dinner, much to Mrs W’s relief as I stopped shouting at the idiots invading our house. Sadly I am not allowed to just turn it off but I can go elsewhere for a short break.

        • MaryLou

          Time Out?

          • Woody

            The thing is that nobody would or should need timeout from watching the news if they stuck to investigating and reporting facts rather than baseless beat-ups.

    • Huia

      I refuse to look at the news as I cant bear having little Angry and Puffy Robinson in my home.
      Blood pressure cant take the whinging, bleating and negativity.

      • Gaynor

        Robertson’s eyes go turn into little round circles and he looks like a wee kid telling porkies but begging to be believed.

        • Nige.

          I soooo know what you mean.

    • Gaynor

      Same in our house.I abused the tv so much my husband said “I know I know I agree with you..you don’t need to keep telling me” I said that I was not talking to him but the idiots on one news.

    • Nige.

      For years lefties have told us that looks don’t matter. Don’t judge someone by what they look like. Now they tell us looks DO matter. Aie aie aie

  • Curly1952

    If the foreign trust were bad for New Zealands reputation as purported by Little, Robertson and the rest lefties we could expect the world to react thus, in no particular order:
    1. Interest rates would rise because no one would be keen to lend the country money
    2. No one would come for a holiday
    3. Foreign owned businesses would withdraw from NZ
    4. The dollar would drop markedly

    Don’t see any of this happening!!
    What a beat up – If people were more measured in their approach like John Key instead of knee jerk reactions like Little we would be a much better country

  • Nige.

    RantyK1w1 answered last nights question with:

    “Ill give you Gore”

    Do you go feint at the sight of blood? Ever seen anyone feint?

    • DemocKot

      Worked in refugee camps Chad,Sudan etc, blood vomit OK but someone in our team eating food(absolutely necessary under the stressful conditions) for some reason made me fell sick and dizzy. weird ?

    • KatB

      I don’t like the sight of blood and our son certainly doesn’t. He’s fainted a couple of times because of it, the most public was when he was altar boy and the priest had a bleeding nose. Our poor son was out for the count. Sadly, no doctor in the making there.

    • Miss McGerkinshaw

      No cause I refuse to look!!!

      As to fainting – not seen anyone but my mother and brother used to like to play practical jokes on me. This day my then boyfriend happened to arrive at our place to visit before I got home. Hence they thought it would be ‘funny’ to have him hide in the pantry and send me in. Well the joke was on them as I went in, he moved or did the equivalent of ‘boo’ and I fell to the floor. Concerned faces surrounded me when I came to! Didn’t stop them unfortunately.

    • Wasapilot

      At scholl when we had our vacinations, I used to break into a sweat, and did faint a couple of times. It was nothing to do with pain, they did not hurt, it was all to do with me psyching myself out. When I give blood, or have a shot these days, I still have to use techniques to take my mind off it, like talking to the needle wielder about anything, just to keep my mind off what they are doing.

      Friends have suggested I hand in my man card over this.

      • hookerphil

        Now, which team do you back?

        • Wasapilot

          To again quote the footy score picking oracle that is Jude, “you will keep”. Go the Hurricanes ?

          • hookerphil

            I see the scores have finally been updated in the rugby, did them all by looking up everybody. Thought that Jude was top scorer for the week but see that Bugsy2k3 picked the lot and scored 47. Well done that man.

          • Wasapilot

            They are terribly slow to update the leaderboards, seems ridiculous. 47 a great effort, I can only dream of such a result HP. I see you have put your picks in for the next round too HP, whereas that clever Jude seems to wait until very late in the week.

          • hookerphil

            Yes, well very excited about going to the game on Friday night so need to back the Crusaders before crossing the Waitaki. Sometimes I wonder if Jude is the head of a consortium and her task is to pick the Hurricanes.

          • Jude

            I can’t imagine not picking the Canes :)

          • Jude

            I very nearly forgot last week lol:)

          • Wasapilot

            You are so far ahead and HP and I Jude, you could probably have a couple of weeks off, and still lead us mere mortals.

          • Jude

            I don’t think so! I have had my disastrous week and it is very easy to slide quite quickly.

      • KatB

        I don’t like having blood taken either. My veins aren’t the easiest to get blood from and if they don’t get the needle in right the first time, I have been known to need to lie down before I fall down.

        • Miss McGerkinshaw

          With me it’s not so much the blood but I am totally needle phobic and so that is more likely to make me squirm. Just look away and ‘think of England’.
          Like you if they don’t get the needle right the first time – eeeek!

      • Dave

        Perhaps, but admitting it in public, definitely a “hand in your man card” event.

    • Huia

      Yes my daughter.
      Her sibling has taken numerous photos of her donating blood then lying on the floor with a cold flannel on her forehead with her feet on a chair.
      Her brothers enjoyed being with her when she donated blood. They had a lot of amusement at her expense.
      My sister also faints at the sight of blood.

      • Nige.

        That’s mean. I can’t give blood because after I just can’t stand up. I get that aweful “dying feeling” from the blood loss. I wish I could give more because my type is B positive.

        • Wasapilot

          Just eat pies while giving blood Nige, works for me.

        • johcar

          I used to give blood every six months like clockwork from age fifteen until about 22.

          But when I came home from my OE, I had apparently exposed myself to Mad Cow Disease (little did I know at the time, that they were talking about my (now ex-)wife, who I met over there!!), just by living in the UK.

          So my blood wasn’t welcome any more. But that didn’t stop them accepting a blood donation a couple of months before the international cut-off!!

          The ‘incubation’ period was supposedly 30 years. Well, that was 30 years ago and I’m more sane now than I was then!!!!

          And I still haven’t heard that there’s been a higher than usual Creuzfedlt Jacob Disease incidence as a result of the scare in the mid-eighties….

    • Eiselmann

      Blood doesn’t worry me in the slightest.

      I’ve fainted a couple of times as a kid but that was from a lack of food and in a hot stuffy classroom….never seen anyone faint at the sight of blood but I have heard them scream and watched them run. Including a heavily tattooed biker who ran out a nurses room in terror….

    • Intrigued

      Yep – and I still chortle that I once fancied myself to become a doctor – even did first year med intermediate. Loved the theory but after fainting a few times realised I’d better become a lawyer instead! Long time ago now but I still faint – can’t watch when I or my kids have blood tests either!

    • Richard

      I know a guy who is a very handy kick-boxer and otherwise blokey bloke.
      Hit a sparrow with his van and burst into tears…

      • Nige.

        “Pink” van.

        • Dave

          Easy on the Pink, some of my associates had Pink vans for many years, and one you might know.

          • Nige.

            I love pink vans.

          • Richard

            I can just picture you rocking a pair of these up on the drum riser.

          • Dave

            As builders, you have probably both had the benefit of meeting some of my pink friends.

          • Nige.

            My ones name is bruce

          • Dave

            Yup, a great guy, miss my times there, good people and Bruce is a top operator.

          • Wendy

            Gasp! Im in love.

          • rantykiwi

            If you polish them they turn red again.

          • Nige.

            Is that why my ute has gone pink?

          • rantykiwi

            Nah, that’s just sawdust from the LOSP treated framing.

          • Richard

            Heh.

    • hookerphil

      Used to hate needles with a passion but then have had a heart operation with numerous blood tests. Now do not give a toss – just another day at the office and yes, I watch The Chase.

      • Nige.

        …Badley.

    • Dave

      I’m fine with needles, take a few deep breathes, look away and its all good. Still give blood regularly despite my medical history. I usually have a laugh with the technician, can i write a message on the label. “Only for lefties”… oh bugger, was hoping to cure their depressive outlook on life.

    • Chris EM

      As a child i fainted numerous times at the sight of blood. I’ve improved as I’ve gotten older, but only because i’ve learnt to take my mind off it. If I dwell on it, or think of what damage I’ve done to my body after damaging it in some way, I’ll be out like a light.

    • ex-JAFA

      I don’t do blood. Some of my own is okay, but definitely not anyone else’s.

      • MaryLou

        Funny. I can cope with other peoples, have a problem when it’s my own..

    • JEL51

      Yup, I feint at the thought of it, almost. My favourite brother used to place his weight on his heels in order to get out of school assembly through feinting.

    • Santa Fe fan

      I don’t need to see blood to faint-just someone talking about their operation or gruesome injury is enough for me to be on the floor. Once I was taking the cat back to the vets for an open wound treatment, and the sight of her in the cage was enough for me to have to stop on the road side and elevate my legs. Naturally I ain’t a first aider and don’t donate blood.

    • rantykiwi

      I’m fine with blood – too many years as a firefighter cured me of any squeamishness I may have had as a child.

      We used to wind up a colleague who passed out at the slightest sign of blood – being the cruel bastards we were it was an occasional activity for someone to prick their finger with a needle, squeeze out a drop of blood, show it to him and watch him go night-night.

    • Michelle

      never had problem with blood and guts stuff
      l was told by family that, when l was small, someone was doing sheep for freezer and they found me in among the intestines having a look at them l still do it now

      Hated needles, nurses at lab used to laugh when they saw me turn up for blood test but after having kids it doesn’t worry me
      l am good at giving injections to animals and taking stitches out of myself or anyone else

      hubby and kids are not good with any of that and one will pass out at sight of any blood etc

    • Over the last 20 years the Internet has toughened me up. I can now look at surgeries, car accidents and mob hits and it doesn’t touch me.

      But if I had to do in in real life. With the emotions, and the smells, I suspect it would all depend on the situation.

      I do know that in an emergency I become dead calm and do what needs doing. I’ve had a few where people almost died on me or did die on me, and the event hits me a few minutes after I walk away or am no longer responsible for the outcome.

    • XCIA

      A bunch of years ago when my mother was alive, my then partner and I went to visit her in hospital following an operation on her leg. When we arrived, a nurse was in the process of changing dressings and had just left a cover over her leg. The partner asked how she was feeling and inquired as to the leg whereupon mother whipped aside the cover to reveal a rather gory limb. Well, almost instantly the partner keeled over hitting her head on a table on the way down. I put her in the recovery position and went to get help. She ended up in the bed next to mother and was kept in for observation which was a pain in the backside because the only reason she was there was to drive the car as I had consumed a few beverages.

    • Clutch Cargo

      I feel faint driving into Gore!!!!!

    • Asian_driver

      I was born in Gore, maybe it prepared me for life. I like going to hospital except to visit sick people. about a year ago I had a bigish lump on the side of my chest removed under local anaesthetic so I was able to watch the whole thing about 3″ cut , dont get to look under the skin too often so was pretty exciting , about 20 tiny stitches. Most other times I wake up and they are done , just waiting to see how much it will hurt. Just took my dog for the same operation a week or two ago, he is a brave little man too!

  • Carl

    In last nights Backchat people tried to give the band a name. The 2 most popular with up votes were, Kat B with Isishead and Huia With Priscilla and the Queens of the desert. Sorry Pete you tried hard.

    • Left Right Out

      and often….lol

  • Catriona

    Andrea Vance giddy with excitement on TV tonight. Got the big scoop! Nicky Hagar positively revolting as well. I guess if I was a Leftie, I’d be hanging on their every word.

    • Left Right Out

      I do not watch……. it’s better that way

      • pisces8284

        If you don’t watch it, it didn’t happen

    • Isherman

      If I was a leftie I would be wondering how and why they have come to be represented by the intellectual pygmies, and political retards that they currently have leading them.

      • Nige.

        Except they lack the intelligence to realise that they are not all that inteligent.

    • Greg M

      Their big scoop is a damp squib. People and businesses use trusts, well we knew that. The only laws that have been broken have been committed by the hacker and his media enablers.

    • niggly

      I see Peter Dunne tonight has now joined the ranks of the Opposition (Labour/Greens) smear campaign by saying NZ is a tax haven and risks reputational damage etc.

      Couldn’t help thinking how Dunne’s narrative now aligns with his former interest, Ms Andrea Vance.

      Talking about dodgy dealings, perhaps it’s about time their emails between each other are out in the public domain to see whether the two of them behaved ethically when inappropriately discussing confidential Govt GCSB info 3 years ago …. all in the “public interest” of course!

      • Kiwiracer

        Time National cut him loose

      • Gaynor

        Anyone who uses the word”perception” as much as Dunne did is left wing.

        • jaundiced

          And ‘reputation’. As if the rest of the world is closely monitoring everything NZ says and does about an issue that no-one cares about

      • Nige.

        No surprise there.

        Can’t bring myself to say what I want to.

        I loath him. I’ll leave it at that.

        • Bluemanning

          Here here!

      • Carl

        So what did Peter Dunne do about it when he was the Minister of Revenue for 3 years in a Labour government?

        • niggly

          Was he was too busy to do anything back then because he was besotted all day long by starring at Andrea Vance’s profile pic in her News of the World newspaper articles by chance? (Just kidding)!

          • Nige.

            And helping his son set up a business?

          • niggly

            What business was that (and did it involve any lucrative Govt contracts? Only asking that to clear up any “perceptions” of impropriety of course)!

          • Huia

            Selling legal highs which is why he still supports this.

          • niggly

            Woah I didn’t realise that! Well there’s a “perception” issue right there – Dunne supported the Legal High’s industry when he was the Minister! Hang on, is that a “perception issue” or a “fact”!

          • Huia

            It came out when the debate was on about shutting down the legal high shops.

          • Nige.

            His son sells “legal highs” synthetic cannabinoids. The ones that Dunne denied did harm.

          • Carl

            I thought his son was the lawyer who was defending the legal high people not selling them, or have I got that wrong

          • Nige.
          • Dave

            Shouldn’t that read…..

            “And helping his son set up a drug distribution business” All in small tinfoil packets.

          • Nige.

            Well I think Carl is right. He provided legal representation to the industry so I don’t think we can go that far.

        • Gaharis

          Peter Dunne was Minister of Revenue from 2008 until he was sacked over the Vance emails in 2013. So what did he do about it then!!

          • Carl

            Nothing. So why is he on his high horse now?

          • Gaharis

            Exactly. I guess it’s called MMP and that he remains a minister is a consequence of the Northland bye election. But it’s time for National or Act to stand somebody of some credibility in Ohariu in 2017 isn’t it?

    • They are, the dark side is positively comical to read currently.

    • Huia

      Its all a bit like this really. Exchange the CBS for TVNZ and you are on the right track.

  • Neil

    How can anyone take Nick Hager, Andrea Vance, and Corin Dann as serious reporters or journalist’s. Oh my god New Zealand was mention in the Panama Papers, who effing cares except for the leftie tossers and second rate reporters and journalist.

    • Left Right Out

      but still no scandal …….

    • DemocKot

      Hager says he was in Ukraine 18 months ago, he should have stayed and investigated the Panama papers there, I can give him a couple of names of oligarchs Firtash and Akhmetov, investigate why they have so much money and why people there have nothing unlike here, might do a real genuine service to a country….

      • sheppy

        What’s the bet the coward doesn’t want to return after his expose?

    • Nige.

      [Mod] Please. No swearing.

  • Curly1952

    So there!!

  • Dave

    I think its high time to turn the tables on the self titled “investigative Journalist, AKA the leaking writer and JK hater Nickie Hager. So some questions.

    1) Have you ever worked for a real commercial enterprise doing productive work?
    2) Is your home, the home of your sister (Mandy) in a trust of any form?
    3) If so, WHY, given trusts and those that have them are bad?
    4) Your parents worked hard, very hard in their successful business, have you ever wanted to follow in their footsteps?
    5) Have your parents made provisions for your living expenses, or have you benefited from their generosity, you know, like being the beneficiary of a trust from their hard work (or similar)

    My Money is on, little Nickie is a bit of a hypocrite, and his lifestyle has been greatly assisted by the hard work and generosity of his parents.

    Of course, just like Cunnliffe, its okay to have secret funds, the rules don’t apply to the lefties.

    • Catriona

      Yes. And bet he shops online overseas as well to avoid paying gst – on items under $400 that is. Bet Dann, Vance and everyone tied up in this big reveal do as well. Personally we don’t own anything – apart from the cars as everything is in a Trust.

      • Alfred12

        Dear Andy & Grant, have a family trust, I have assets, these assets are owned by my trust & the investment income is taxed at 33%. I am unable to reduce or mitigate this rate of tax, can you help? Nah just kidding.

    • pisces8284

      and I bet he gets jobs done for cash. Mates rates

    • JEL51

      A real journalist to do some digging into Hager’s political persuasions wouldn’t go amiss. I bet there are dark secrets to be found there if someone was keen to look.

    • Left Right Out

      It’s funny how Hager was so upset that the police went through his computers illegally as it turned out…. but he himself has no issues going through peoples info, taken illegally…….

    • GoingRight

      Great information revealed. Agree what a hypocrite. Love to know more. Eg what do or did the parents do, how many houses did the own did they own trusts in NZ or overseas. The list is endless.

  • pisces8284

    Can’t wait for the next poll that covers this charade

  • Vlad

    What a weak performance by TV One News tonight. Hager was justifiably buried in an aside comment – they must have belatedly realised he is a liability; Andrea Vance was barely coherent (is this a broadcast journalist?) and Corin Dann, with all day to put it together was reduced to implying through editing that John Key had reacted to TV One’s blather by being a bit more willing to take a look at things.

    • stephen2d

      That’s all they can do, to say “they” made him look more into it. Same thing from that desperate “serious journalist” Campbell, whom even his microphone has got sick of listening, on Red Radio – nothing but self-congratulatory verbal diarrhoea that alleges Key has crumbled and conceded there are things that must be addressed. Nothing but face saving exercise for that sad lot of “objective journalists”.

  • Jp

    Is everyone getting annoyed as tax expert Deborah Morris is being portrayed as one,
    Yet she was the Labour Candidate for Rangiteki?

  • Dave

    Is this wishful thinking on my part or ……..

    Has Nasty Nicky Hager “cried wolf’ too much, and are Kiwis getting a bit over his dramatics? I suggest this to be the case, especially if there is nothing major in the big reveal MKII tomorrow morning. Whilst some known Lefties are going nuts over this, there is no major reveal, nothing, I believe he is damaging his own credibility massively, and has dragged others along with him, except A Vance, none to start with.

    A quote for Nicky….. “That day the shepherd boy learned an important lesson—if you desire people to believe and trust what you say, you must always be truthful.

    http://media.mywonderstudio.com/files/en/0-5/001-100/pdf/TheBoyWhoCriedWolf_en.pdf

    • OneTrack

      Yes, Hagar, the Herald, the Greens and Angry have indeed cried wolf more than one too many times. I, for one, am simply not listening anymore. They have failed to fulfil their supposed role of informing us and holding the government to account.

  • Eiselmann

    Had fun today with a leftie academic I know, (he’s the sort that is quite dismissive of people who have never been to Uni) he was complaining about media bias with regards to Corbyn and Little. By the end of the conversation I got him to agree that the media bias against Trump and Key was also wrong.

    Laughed when his equally liberal wife(a late arrival to the conversation) told him what he had just agreed to.

    How did I do it?…I agreed with him that there was media bias at the start , that threw all his arguements into the bin and he found disagreeing with me, meant disagreeing with himself and hes not the sort who admits they are ever wrong.

  • Richard

    So it turns out that North Korea has a 100% literacy rate for 15 year old students, combined with a very high proportion of malnutrition……tell me again why we need breakfast in schools for students to achieve learning targets?…..then again, the threat of a firing squad could provide great encouragement.

    • KatB

      Or maybe they’ve just photo shopped those results in keeping with their leader’s many other “achievements”.

      • Wasapilot

        Didn’t dear leaders Daddy get 18 holes in one in one round of golf. Everything that comes out of NK is totally believable.

        • hookerphil

          No, that would be silly – only 11.
          “After picking up a golf club that day for the very first time in his life, the Dear Leader of the Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea fired a 38-under-par round of 34 at Pyongyang. According to the 17 security guards who observed the performance, the score included an amazing 11 aces. Naturally, the event was dutifully reported to the North Korean masses by the state news agency.”

          • Wasapilot

            I stand corrected, 11 holes in one is completely believable.

    • DemocKot

      If you like North Korea, this site might give you more “understanding” of their thinking….
      https://twitter.com/DPRK_News

    • Old Chook

      Have read two very good books lately – The Girl with Seven Names was one – the other title eludes me (have lent the book to a friend) but both written by girls who have escaped NK recently. Unbelievable to see how easy it is to brainwash people.

  • Carl

    I think the comment of the day about the big reveal has to go to Chris Trotter. “As a good leftie I was salivating this morning and I read it and went meh”.

    • Left Right Out

      What does he mean a good leftie…. is there such a thing?

      • dumbshit

        He left the “for nothing” bit out!

  • Usaywot

    I’ve had a great day. The only news I’ve heard or read has been WO and I even finally got around to cancelling the Herald. Here is my letter to them:

    ” I have been a long time subscriber of the Herald, approx 40 years, but have watched with dismay as the paper has descended from the highly regarded newspaper it once was to the sensational tabloid it has become.

    It is extremely disappointing to see genuine news replaced with sensationalism, commentary replaced with blatant left wing ideology, proof reading obviously thrown out the window. I could go on. It is my understanding that the paper is bleeding subscribers, most people I know have cancelled and the few still getting it are getting it free as an enticement to subscribe, although none of them intend to.

    If you genuinely want a newspaper of quality then it is about time you took your readers seriously. How about being a bit more balanced politically? While I know it is the job of the opposition to attack the government at every opportunity, it is not yours. You should, if even only occasionally, be positive about where the country is heading and without doubt it is doing extremely well.”

    It was a very satisfying letter to write. I feel liberated

    • Wasapilot

      Hi, my name is Usaywot, and I am an ex herald reader. Welcome Usaywot.

      • Bluemanning

        Welcome! I was offered the ‘h’ for a dollar a day being an ex subscriber for 3 years.
        I said no thank you but thanks for your call then poured another merlot.

    • Elmwood

      I cancelled the Christchurch Press for exactly the same reason. I have had two telephone calls in the last year to try to get me to resubscribe. Did I enjoy telling them why I would never buy a copy of the Press again.

    • Richard

      Shades of Bob Jones’ cutting sarcasm in there…..well done.

      • Usaywot

        I take that as a huge compliment.

    • Old Chook

      The Herald has been delivered to my home and to my husband’s home for as long as we can remember – we are both in our mid 60’s. Now cancelled. I didn’t waste my time writing a letter instead I scrawled “Please Cancel.We are tired of the lefty opinion that now passes for news” And down the fax it went.

    • Lux

      My uncle got the Herald free for as long as he can remember, he has no idea why, it just turned up one day .. and he never said a word. We used to have a laugh about it.. He has recently died and I bet it is still getting delivered.

    • johcar

      I suspect they won’t understand your letter. You’ve used too many big words, like “subscriber”, “disappointing”, and “ideology”. And some terms that they are certainly unfamiliar with: “balanced politically” and “be positive about where the country is heading “.

      But well said!!

  • Crowgirl

    I’m happy to report that not a single one of my leftie friends has bothered to even mention the Hager fiasco on Facebook today, when I was sure they would be all over it. This may change tomorrow but if nothing major shows up then I expect it won’t. None of this has been mentioned internationally either – they are all gearing up for their own Moments of Truth and hits on their own governments, to worry about ours.

    • Hill16

      My one conspiracy theorist with full on kds has posted a couple of things that have made me face palm….including a couple of anti gov, anti Jk and anti Paula Bennett. I clicked on two out of curiosity and they were from 2011 …… I love the way most of her posts have ‘wake up new Zealand’ or ‘wake up sheeple’ on them……makes me laugh that there’s not a shred of critical thinking done before blindly posting and sharing!

      • Carl

        I only have one friend on FB that is puts up political stuff. He posts the “wake up NZ” links and it makes me laugh.

      • Justme

        I thought I’d check my facebook and see if anyone spouted such rubbish. Unfortunately they like the comments of one.

        I wonder if they realise that the amounts I donate to their charity each year, would very quickly dry up if Labour were voted in.

        • Hill16

          Yep, if labour were in power I reckon my discretionary charity budget would be forcibly reallocated by the state to fund election campaigns/free heat pumps for all/re-education camps for national voters etc …..

    • Genevieve

      It’s increasingly looking like Hager’s claims will be ‘world famous’ in NZ leftie circles and NZ media only. Another resounding fail for him, the MSM sycophants and the Labour Party. Unfortunately these attacks won’t stop between now and the next election as Labour know they can’t win, so have resorted to attempting to destabilise Key’s leadership of National.

    • Michelle

      l had a couple who keep liking Hel and her latest wonderful things she is doing for us all
      Lovely photoshopped pics of her, l just scroll on by

  • Karma

    All the NZ media have done today is inadvertently advertise the benefit of trusts.

  • Richard

    Very disappointed of Peter Dunne for having joined the baying mob…then again, we have come to accept disappointment from him.

    • XCIA

      Especially being interviewed by the Smalley female. I hope National see their way to standing someone decent in Ohariu.

      • Alan Beresford B’Stard

        Exactly, the coiffured one is well past his use by date.

        • Effluent

          All he needs is some rhinestones, and he could take up a living as a Liberace impersonator. He’s already got the bouffant hairdo, and his simpering is spot on.

    • Tom

      Dunne needs to go at the next election. national should contest the seat.Maybe he doesnt want Vance ratting on him, if he opposes her!

    • STAG

      Come on! He’s more of a bus hopper then Angry.

      Besides, he knows his goose is cooked and this is his last term. Strangely his name isn’t mentioned in association with a cushy civil service posting.

    • benniedawg

      Probably shouldn’t take the disappointment too much to heart. Any of his most recent commentaries on issues give one the impression of someone not knowing which slipper to pee in tomorrow. This term will be his last hooray.

  • Sally

    About to leave this great country. Please don’t let Little, Hager and co drag it down in the next month.

    • Bluemanning

      They haven’t, have a good trip Sally!

    • Richard

      I suppose you’re off to the Cook Islands to dig up all you buried money before the Hager dawn raids commence….blimmin Capitalists!!

    • KatB

      Safe travels.

    • Karma

      I hope you’re not ashamed to admit you’re from New Zealand, while on your travels, given how the country’s international reputation is in tatters because of this Panama business…

      • dumbshit

        Just tell them you are from Aussie, poms don’t know the difference between our flags!

    • Michelle

      Safe travels

      at least you will be removed from the stupidity of the Media party and opposition

    • Lux

      Have a wonderful time .. we will miss you !

    • Dave

      Hope you have a really good trip, and make sure you declare the Duty Free, otherwise Nicky might have an exclusive on you next year.

    • Wasapilot

      Bon Voyage Sally, and make sure you keep your footy picks current.

    • Jude

      Happy Travels! Do keep us informed of how you are getting on:)

    • sarahmw

      Enjoy your time away.

  • Curly1952

    Why has Winnie been quiet on the panama papers today.Has he figured out being anti JK on this one is losing?

    • Michelle

      l had the same thoughts he was all over it on the weekend on every news hour but l think he has realized it is another fizzer so has shut up quick smart and no where to be seen

      • hsvmaloo

        Just like he did on the so called Niue scandal. Didn’t that episode disappear like a fart in the wind.

    • Bluemanning

      I glimpsed Winnie on tv1 tonight seemingly getting on board the hager train, but with smoke and mirrors not so much.

    • rantykiwi

      He probably buys his scotch through some trust arrangement and doesn’t want to ruin that – there’s no other way his consumption is affordable even with his troughing allowance.

      • Catriona

        He’s probably done a secret deals with the Duty Free shops at Auckland Airport. That way he gets to avoid paying duty on the goods.
        Tax avoidance? When he could easily shop at his local Liquor Land and pay the full price including GST. Far better for the country/s tax coffers that way.

    • niggly

      Unfortunately he wasn’t quiet at 5pm – Radio NZ Checkpoint were so desperate to have someone with an anti-Govt agenda they brought Winnie into the studio itself and was interviewed by John Campbell live on-air.

      And yes Winnie talked about the Winebox etc!

  • Nesher

    The biggest political looser from tightening of the foreign owned trusts disclosure requirements would be… the Green Party. They understand this and keep really quiet. A greater transparency would immediately reveal that the Greens are funded (means controlled) by overseas syndicates aiming to influence NZ politics. I guess that the disclosure of these syndicates and their assets would expose their connections with the criminal world.

  • Catriona

    I’m waiting for Robbo to add his bit of wisdom re this. Has he been muzzled by his Glorious Leader? Or does he get his turn tomorrow?

  • Left Right Out

    Night all…… early start tomorrow…. Christchurch needs her coffee.

    We shall see what 6am brings and what the magnificent 7 what us to think

  • Platinum Fox

    IIRC, there has been Maori representation on the NPDC for many years in the form of a duly elected councilor named Howie Tamati. If other Maori were to put themselves up for election and had a coherent message they would have a chance of being elected.

  • Poppa

    I have always felt a bit uneasy when the TV cameras zoom in on the tears being shed by some unfortunate accident survivor/losing captain/grieving relative etc. Tonight when reporting the appalling mess in the Canada forest fire, they did it twice.

    I can just imagine the news team fist pumping every time they get a tear going.

    I am fast running out of sources of news. The 6pm TV news has always been a must but I am going to have to try to go without, or the TV screen may get a brick in it.

    So with all the purile nonsense about the stolen data from a law firm, and then the gloating about tragedy the MSM like to do, I’m over it. I’ll stick to safe sources such as WO and hope the occasional bit of news gets through.

    • Michelle

      gave it up as l kept yelling at the tv and my blood pressure would shoot up
      Haven’t missed it

    • Nige.

      There is always the “Reuters headlines” @5:45pm :)

      • DemocKot

        From Reuters: Panama Papers report alleges NZ prime place for rich to hide money http://reut.rs/1SXxSdf

        • MaryLou

          Yes, quoting…. Hagar. Noice.

          • Nige.

            Oh great.

          • Lux

            He’s very helpful like that.. that John doe..est protest person ..

        • Nige.

          Yeah thanks. Thanks for ahhh pointing that out. Real helpful.

      • Poppa

        That’ll do nicely. I’ve been screaming at the TV too much according to mrs poppa.

  • D.Dave

    Today, I have listened to a gaggle of opposition MP’s slag off my country. They have painted it as a corrupt, ill governed, criminal infested outcrop. Well it isn’t! I am heartily sick of these’ public servants’ abusing their positions to belittle my fellow countrymen. Statistics show that most of them have never held a “proper”job,have been troughers for too long, and do not contribute to the fabric of society in any constructive way. They are a shabby collection of nay-sayers, wastrels and charlatans, who, if they don’t like NZ, and cannot breathe a positive breath whilst they are awake, should be put on the next waka out of here and told to keep paddling, because I for one, don’t want them here.
    Thanks for reading my rant. I love my country, dearly, and I think we can do better without the negative Media, Politicians and protesters.

    • DemocKot

      They should try this as example of real corruption (it is also factually correct by the way)

  • Lux

    A bit of background music while you chat ..

    • Dave

      Thanks for your article today, Fascinating. Its a song still on the playlist, along with a few other Bossa Nova type songs. Much appreciated.

      • Lux

        Thanks Dave .. its good to get a bit of feedback..

        • Dave

          Really enjoy the daily pic posts, but i think the boss finds it unproductive time, so i have lunch reading. Even had to google her daughter, just to see – stunning. I can see why they wrote the song.

        • Goldie

          I’ve had a Girl From Ipanema earworm going all day, It’ll probably even sing me to sleep!

          • Lux

            I know where you are coming from..I have had it since last night, since I discovered the song ..

          • Usaywot

            I love Diana Krall’s version on Youtube. Sung in Ipanema…I think…on a glorious evening with the audience waving lights and singing along. It’s magic

          • Justme

            There was a comedy version of the song done once. Can’t remember who by but it ended;
            “As she walked by, she just doesn’t see, cos she is blind.”

      • Lux

        I have just re watched the Frank Sinatra video, and realised he is sitting on chair exactly like my mother had .. and smoking and flicking his ash off..

        Those were the days .. I was born in the wrong era…

  • Lux

    Here’s Jessica Mutch of One News, with her Panama Papers expose tonight…. behind her, she’s emptied several office photocopy machines of blank A4 paper. Oh, it looks so convincing.
    via KJA.

    • dumbshit

      Well there should be no shortage of “supplies” for the “long drop”, when it’s all over!

    • They really have gone Full Retard. It’s cringeworthy.

      • Lux

        I bet the person in charge of stationary will not be pleased..

        • “Heads will roll!!!!”

          • Lux

            Stationary.. Stationery.. can be dangerous, and is very expensive !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • KatB

            Looks like a bit of a health and safety issue to me. Crushed by reams of A4 paper and think of all the paper cuts.

          • XCIA

            Some of those “piles” look like telephone books with their covers taken off.

          • Lux

            She should have been wearing a hard hat, to keep her nut safe.

          • benniedawg

            No need in this situation. Falling objects hazard minimised. No brain in reporters head, therefore chance of serious harm unlikely.

        • Platinum Fox

          The reason reams of paper are wrapped in waxed or coated paper is that [uncoated] paper is hygroscopic (absorbs moisture from the environment). Unless that paper is used fairly soon it will be out of spec (moisture content should be about 4.5%) and print quality will be less than perfect.

          • Lux

            Exactly .. that’s why it costs so much money.

          • It’s amazing how much the paper size changes when humidity goes up and down.

          • Miss McGerkinshaw

            Yeah but it’s not their money so who cares

        • island time

          There would have been lots of paper cuts and blood about the place

        • Miss McGerkinshaw

          “not be pleased” would not even begin to express my feelings were I in charge of stationery.
          Apoplectic gets closer

    • Asian_driver

      The pile should be 920 meters high , looks like she has anout 4m

    • I see they’ve even done the lights through the blinds effect for extra mystery.

    • CheesyEarWax

      It took 7 journos to stack the the piles neatly like that.

      • herewego

        Thank goodness they had natural light – they needed another 20 to change the light bulbs

      • dumbshit

        They had to take their shoes off, to count the piles. Took all weekend apparently.

    • XCIA

      Much of a Mutchness and her idiot mates just don’t realise the damage they are doing to their credibility with this nonsense.

      • Lux

        People I know are are laughing, wondering what they are on ..

        • Isherman

          Should see Nippert’s latest lines. “Phase Two of Unprecedented Leak Coming”, and the ‘fracas is set to deepen’. Sound like a guy who’s trying to make up ground after being left out?….snigger.

    • JEL51

      Did my hard earned $Tax go into paying for that paper & ink?

      • Lux

        You better believe it baby ..

    • Iva b ginn

      Looks like she’s trying to whistle the blower!!!! lol

    • Moonroof

      She ordered A4, hoping for a car, instead getting a stack of reams.

    • Greg M

      And still none of them can see the irony in the simple fact that they have possession of stolen property. This really is a “jump the shark” moment in the history of our MSM. It’s laughable.

  • Well, if you have to know, it had no effect at all until the media turned it into a huge embarrassment (pic)
    .

  • Orange

    So let me understand this properly. Hosking makes an *anti-racist* comment, “There’s nothing wrong with Māori representation on councils cause any Māori that wants to stand for a council is more than welcome to do so and you can sell your message and if you’re good enough you’ll get voted on.” And then a bunch of racists make complaints about him not being racist enough like them but their argument is that he is being racist…??
    Seriously not following this. http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/79797736/tvnz-to-review-complaints-about-mike-hoskings-comments-on-andrew-judd

  • XCIA

    Is there any substance in the news that Angry Andy has done a 180 on his no trusts promise already?

    • Lux

      No way Really . alreadY

      man the guy is a spinner..

      • AL357

        Andy’s advisor is having a laugh at his expense!

      • XCIA

        The Labour Party must feel secure in the knowledge that they have strong and resolute leader who possesses total conviction.

    • Isherman

      He was all on his own in calling for a ban, all the other critics have simply called for much more transparency and disclosure around them. It’s also not lost on me that it will be many of the same people who didn’t want any arm of the state to pry into peoples lives or communications. I will feel vindicated if he has, I wondered last night if it would be a 24 hour flip flop.

    • Intrigued

      To be precise this is what he said on TVNZ news tonight:
      Andrea Vance – “Labour wants more rigorous disclosure rules” Cut to Little:
      “Let’s know who’s behind them. Let’s know the full sort of structure of companies that sit around them. And let’s make sure these people are paying their fair share of tax.”

      In other words Angry Flip Flop Andy Little wants to be the world’s tax man making sure all those overseas people pay their tax in their countries!

      Ha ha ha! He has no idea what he is on about and clearly understands trust law about as much as a gnat!

  • Random outburst: Peter Capaldi is my least favourite Doctor

    • Goldie

      True. David Tennant was the best.

    • Intrigued

      He was fantastic as Malcom Tucker though wasn’t he!

    • OT Richter

      and Jenna Coleman (Clara Oswald) is my most favourite Who-girl.

      • I’m not sure, the last 3 or 4 have all been great.

        • Goldie

          Except maybe Donna Noble, never really liked her?

          • I understand why, but she was plucky and she grew on me :)

          • Goldie

            Yes there were several later episodes that she was quite good in. I hope that Peter Capaldi (who is not THE best, but good enough) grows into the role in the same way.

  • niggly

    Tightening things up? Oh, so Little now supports the Govt which announced a review a few weeks ago and that it would “tighten things up” (if that’s what the review recommended)?

    Oh wait, Little has just realised he is now inadvertently “supporting the Govt”!

    So stand by for tomorrow’s flip-flop announcement from Little – nope Labour will no longer support tightening things up and will revert back to banning foreign trusts …. well until the next day happens and another flip-flop!

  • RockinBob625

    On another tangent on the media……I have heard and read the story on the six Warriors players that were stood down. Each media story stated “prescription medicine and energy drinks”. Fascinated I tried to google the ingredients, and while I did not undertake a huge effort I was unable to ascertain the medicines involved.

    Friday night driving home listening to John Campbell on RNZ and he clearly came out and named the medicine involved. Why John, why? Do we not have enough spaced out kids in this world? Do you have to help tip a few more over the edge? This medication is likely more easily obtained in a bathroom cabinet, than marijuana. Now you just gave little Jimmy the recipe. Well done.

    • Oh Please

      I doubt anyone else was listening.

  • Effluent

    Word of the day for tomorrow?
    Hager (N) – Wholesale breach of privacy, by deliberate dissemination of stolen private data; generally invoking “public interest” justification to overcome legal objection to receiving stolen data and collateral damage to innocent parties.
    Synonyms – “Snowden” and “Assange”

    • Moonroof

      That fits (pejorative) : https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hagiography
      edit for clarity

    • KatB

      Was that in the Oxford dictionary? My Collins dictionary said, “To lose ones way. All blow and no go. Anticlimax.

      • Effluent

        It’s one of those useful words which has many different meanings; in the case of this particular word, all of the meanings relate to sordid, spiteful, envious, sneaky, and discreditable behaviours.

      • Isherman

        The ‘Anticlimax’ will feature yet. By that, I mean that when it finally dawns on the media and some certain bloggers that this is really a beat-up beltway issue that everybody is just bored to tears hearing about, the blame for it will shift from JK specifically, to people like us, whose apathy allowed it all to happen. Andrea Vance has already hinted at this eventuality by trying to make us sleepy hobbits understand why we need to care, why we should be outraged. Dunne went further, telling us this is as bad as an outbreak of foot & mouth disease.

        • KatB

          Was Dunne talking about the reporters?

          • Isherman

            Heh.

          • Effluent

            He was probably thinking of the rot in a vital part of his own anatomy- what passes for his brain.

        • XCIA

          Dunne has had his foot buried in his mouth for so long, he should be an expert in foot and mouth by now.

    • Moonroof

      A parallel, like Germany has been Merkelled. Not that I should pun about it, actually not that funny.

      • Effluent

        I wonder if “Merkel” is a variant of “merkin”; probably the other way around, now that I think of it, given that English evolved from germanic roots….
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkin

        • KatB

          Maybe a bit of laser hair removal in order for Germany then?

  • Dumrse

    Angry Little…….

  • Genevieve

    Just browsing through the Stuff and Herald websites, thinking that the Panama revelations by the secret seven investigative journalists must be compulsory reading, but no, they don’t even register. How can that be? The most popular stories haven’t had a team of specialists working on them for weeks…

    • Lux

      Maybe, No-one reads them any more?

    • stephen2d

      Because they weren’t part of the cool kids group, so they are either snubbing it (because “what’s in it for us” mentality) or because they also think it is a pile of manure.

      Edit: or they had a deal to leave the “breaking of the story” to tvnz, red radio and Helgar

    • Intrigued

      I noticed this today too and checked a few times. Is it that the most read stories/most clicked on float to the top? And is that the case for the stories that feature an intro with picture at the top of each digital home page? If so – maybe it’s because no-one reading Stuff or NZH online today were reading the Panama Papers articles? There were some there earlier in the day but they were relegated by lunchtime and the lead story late afternoon was all about the truck and trailer crash on the motorway!
      I don’t think NZers are all that interested in the PP! I bet the lead article tomorrow rising to the top as most read will be about Fleur pipping Naz to win the heart of the latest Bachelor!

  • Lux

    The Australian newspaper said Fairfax and the owner of NZME – APN News & Media – had held talks, speculating that the media companies may soon merge their New Zealand operations.

    What would you rename as ?

    Fairherld

    • Goldie

      FAP ?

    • Lux

      Stuffher.dx

    • Effluent

      Santorum

    • Greg M

      If they perforate it and put it on a roll they may sell a few more .

    • XCIA

      They need to put paywalls in asap to stop the cash flow hemorrhage and to do this effectively they need to be on the same page. Since they have been catering to the left, I can’t see this helping them as the left do not like paying for anything, especially something they were getting for free.

    • Lux

      NZ FAirMe

    • willtin

      Ferald

    • Greg M

      F.A.news-N.Z. ?

      • [MOD] *twitch*

  • Eiselmann

    Looking forward to all Labour MP’s closing their trust funds, closing any over seas bank accounts and selling any overseas investments . As Colin Dann would say theres no proof that any of those funds are not fully taxed and above board but David Shearer forgot to declare a six figure overseas bank account ,so its not a good look .

  • September Reynolds

    It looked like Simon Dallow was ready to cream his proverbial jeans as TVNZ led with their groundbreaking expose on foreign trusts as the rest of NZ just went ‘huh?’ The Media party consistently get this wrong. They over promise and under deliver.

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