Whaleoil General Debate

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  • LabTested

    UK local elections – London has just elected its first ever Muslim Mayor.

    • dumbshit

      Bacon will be off the menu now!

    • Isherman

      Some interesting results across the board, Labour were put to the sword in Scotland, but it’s still not a completely rosy picture for Labour or Corbyn. The second preferences will put Khan over the line I’d say, but if Corbyn thinks that crucial win is enough on it’s own to secure him as leader, he might get a nasty surprise in the near future. Labour’s Jewish vote has also been decimated…he’s still got some big problems going forward. Keep an eye on what he does with Livingstone, I reckon he will make the mistake of leaving him in place.

    • oldmanNZ

      i was told, if you go to London, you wouldnt think you were in London but the middle east.

      i think the londoners are now a minority

      • Usaywot

        All depends what part. Where I stay you would never see a middle eastern or a veiled woman.

    • Crowgirl

      I will be watching him with interest

      • dumbshit

        Morning, or rather good evening, what’s the latest on the fires?

        • Crowgirl

          Afternoon – it’s just after 3pm. Fire is massive – now officially larger than the city of Toronto. There’s an RCMP escorted convoy out of the area of evacuees – many of whom are headed to Edmonton shelters, which is where I live (in an apartment, not a shelter ahem). The provincial government has announced a cash payout to help people $1250 for adults/$500 for dependants. Major fundraising going on with the federal government saying they will match all donations.

          I’m pretty far away from it but the horizon looks hazy from the deck and I could smell smoke a few hours ago. The fire is heading NE though – away from populated areas and away from Fort McMurray, towards Saskatchewan.

          Fun Alberta fact: there is a town called ANZAC up that way.

          • dumbshit

            Re insurers will be licking their wounds after this is over.

          • Crowgirl

            You betcha

          • hookerphil

            I thought that was really interesting “Anzac was named for the Australian and New Zealand Army Corps who surveyed the area during World War I for construction of the rail line to Waterways, Alberta.” The population in 2015 was 606 so I guess this evacuation will be its biggest claim to fame.

          • Crowgirl

            Yeah it seems pretty small. Fort McMurray isn’t all that big either.

    • contractor

      Yet Mr Khan has form in inciting intolerance by Muslims towards others. Go figure. People in big cities really do go mad.

    • Davo42

      Welcome to Londonistan

    • Crowgirl

      As an aside Calgary has had a Muslim mayor for quite some time. He’s pretty harmless apart from being a left-winger, but there’s plenty of them of all creeds.

      I’ve never heard any mention of him being associated with extremism or anything and his ideology doesn’t seem to have any bearing on anything. I think he might be gay though and he definitely sounds like he was born in Canada.

      • Isherman

        Nenshi is of the Ismaili branch, a fairly esoteric sub sect of the Shia, who believe that the Imam has every right to interpret the Quran in relation to the times in which they live. As you say, in terms of his beliefs he’s pretty harmless.

        • Crowgirl

          Sounds pretty reasonable. Albertans wouldn’t put up with any nonsense – this is conservative heartland.

  • George

    The ongoing self glorification of those who work in the MSM by those who work in the MSM is pathetic. By nature of their work they develop a profile, not necessarily through talent but by exposure. This, for some bizarre reason, suggests a belief within the MSM that this profile elevates their importance to all and sundry. It is delusional. They have no more status nor importance than the hundreds of thousands of other NZs who go about their daily business. If I have a burst water main, do you think I would give a toss who the news reader was on channel 3. My plumber would, and does, represent greater value and status to me than any news reader.

    A pretty/handsome face and pleasant personality doesn’t offer more than desirable company (so can most brothels so I’m told!) I can access that without turning on my tele. My eyes can scan what I read as news, so really I have no need for TV news readers. So when one, who does read TV news resigns, I couldn’t care less. So why do the MSM? I will tell you why. They live in a world of fantasy brought about by outrageous remuneration and profile. They contribute little but believe the world revolves around them and consequently expects that world to plunge into a state of grief should one leave. And if your not grieving, you can be assured that the MSM will pound you into submission. They are the least trusted and admired profession and they continue to demonstrate why. This fact is so divorced from their delusional belief that everyone loves them. Egos egos egos!

    • George. No need to answer, but do you drive a black Mercedes with a personalised plate by any chance?

      • George


        • Well, someone is driving around East Aucland with a BELOVD number plate!! :D

          • George

            Early mother’s day present? I wish!

    • Edward_L

      If TV3 are losing $15 million a year in news programmes, where the ratings are probably highest for the night, why do they run 90 minutes of current affairs?
      They could get by on 30 minutes.
      One station in France has sixty second news and links for more details.
      Having said that, I haven’t watched a full programme of tv for 20 years, apart from election night.
      I follow international journalists on twitter for instant news. Hardly look at MSM.

    • kereru

      Another reason we are increasingly thankful we don’t have a TV. When we watch the ‘news’ on holiday we’re nearly driven crazy by the repeated ads and are struck by the total inadequacy of the reporting. It strikes us that the ‘news’ is so rigourously edited as to be worthless. What they don’t report is far more telling than what the editing allows. Thank goodness for WO which consistently digs below the surface to reveal the undercurrents behind the facade of smiling faces.

  • Cadwallader

    At Stuff this morning (business section) the media is banging on and on like a robotic panelbeater with stories about autocue reader “Mike McRoberts, I’m staying!” Who cares? Also about NZ’s trust regime being attractive to foreigners. In other words, there is very little “news” to report locally. On days where there is a dearth of local news the msm would be better to simply close down for 24 hours….or better yet, for even longer. In another part of Stuff there is the inevitable put down of Trump, stating that it is now a “magical time for racists and xenophobes” what ever that means. A quote from an opponent becomes a marketable fact in NZ’s media.

  • Aucky

    I noted with some interest that the major multi-national pharmaceutical company, Pfizer, only paid $59,000 company tax to the IRD whilst shipping NZ$22.5 million in “return of capital” to its parent company in the Netherlands. Fair enough, that’s all above board under our current tax legislation but I wonder why Pfizer’s name hasn’t been mentioned by Andrew Little in the course of his taxation crusade? Surely Andrew can’t be accused of cronyism with multinationals? That dinner with Big Pharma was not a great idea Andy – it’s all about perception as you keep telling us.

    • Edward_L

      Substance over form. They should prove it in terms of selling a building or selling a patent. Otherwise IRD should challenge this as a ‘scheme’. The same with Auckland Airport’s return of capital. I can’t see an event, just shuffling by itself.

  • LabTested

    Boaty McBoat Face… Despite winning the online poll the UK government has decided not to name its new £200m Arctic research ship Boaty McBoat Face. Instead it will be called the Sir David Attenborough….which I suppose is fair enough.

    However to show that they are good sports..the ..Sir David Attenborough research ship has a yellow submarine which will be officially named … Boaty Mc Boat Face.

    A win all around it seems


    • OT Richter

      Should have called the sub “The Beatle”.

      • FornaK

        Should have named it “the Len Brown”, as apparently he likes to go down

    • Richard

      Technically it should have been named SubbyMcSubface?

      Edit: Or even DasFace.

    • Keyser Soze

      OK I’ll put it out there. Sir David Attenborough is probably one of the greatest people to have ever lived. His contribution to inspiring a love and curiosity of our natural world cannot be overstated. I can’t imagine there has been anyone who has seen and travelled to more places ever. He’s a global treasure. If anyone was more deserving of yet another honour, I cant think who it’d be.

    • mixedblood

      They could have called the submarine Abbey Rowed

  • Macca

    If you had a puppy that kept laying little cables on the carpet there would be 2 options available – either fix it or put up with it.

    It was good to see some action finally being taken against the feral window washers in Auckland last night but for mine, it is just too little, too late. This has been talked about for years but the talk is only lip service. The media keep venting to us about ‘bowing to public pressure’. I would be happy to see said pressure used to spur some action on something like the window washers rather than their pathetic continual government bashing.

    Sadly the puppy pooh looks like it has turned in to a full blown turd in a spa pool which no one is prepared to touch. Glad I live in Tauranga where the police seem to keep on top of this type of activity by sorting it early on.

  • Kiwiracer

    OK, I’ll bite first, I have read the article in Stuff on the Panama Papers, in my opinion it is big on rhetoric and emotion and bands about a few numbers.
    However, am I correct in assuming that very little, if any, of this money has actually found its way to NZ?
    They like the trusts to be set up in NZ mainly because we are a safe and stable country.
    We don’t appear to suffer the highs and lows that other countries suffer, the GFC as an example, we didn’t appear to be hit as hard as other countries.
    So, we are not actually missing out on tax revenue, other countries are, but we are deriving an income from the administrators which in turn creates some tax revenue.
    Just one man’s thoughts, if maybe too simplistic.

  • duve

    With the conviction of two Muslim men for involvement with possession and distribution of violent video material, we creep ever closer to the problems being experienced by many other countries. This was covered in radio news yesterday, but there was nothing on TV One news last night. We need to be vigilant.

    • Kiwiracer

      One of them was a player in the Blockhouse Bay mosque fiasco, the thin of the wedge.

    • JEL51

      I heard a caller on my less-favourite-radio-with-everyday in the early hours “…but you can find that material on the internet so easily…” in an overly sympathetic manner. In other words those guys shouldn’t be charged !!
      What is up with the those fools on the Left?

  • Jude

    • I’m almost there. I eat double, walk quarter, laugh triple and love without measure.

  • Justme

    Why Auckland Publlic Transport will never take over.
    I have buses go past my house every day. In fact one of the stops is 30 metres away. So I figure, I should really look up the timetables and see if it is more beneficial for me to use the public transport, than my car.
    Note using my car it takes me 20 minutes to get to work.
    The bus options say I need to walk, minimum, 1km to catch a bus, ignoring the one that stops outside my house. Leaving before I normally do, I will get to work an hour after I would have if I drove.
    In fact, I have cycled to work, and because of a harbour bridge I have to go the long way, but still if I was to do so, I would only be 15 minutes slower than the public transport, yet having had to cycle twice as far.

    • rantykiwi

      Much the same applies for me. I can drive to work in 8 minutes without traffic, and under 20 minutes in peak traffic. A bus involves a 1km walk, 2 buses and 57 minutes of my life, or a 2km walk, 1 bus, a 1.5km walk and an hour of my life. A train involves a 2km walk, 10 minutes on a train and then a 500m walk. AT says this will take 50 minutes. The costs vary between $2.50 and $9 depending on the which way I choose to waste my time on publlic transport. I’ll keep driving thanks.

      • Aucky

        I currently use the 392 service into the CBD. Buses every 20 minutes at peaktimes, hourly at others, bus stop 100 meters away and a 25 minute journey into town. The service is very well patronised as is evident judging by the numbers of commuters’ cars that now pack the parking spaces on weekdays in the local side streets.

        AT in their infinite wisdom propose to cancel this service and replace it with a shuttle bus service (bus stop 800 meters away) to Ellerslie station to wait for a train into the CBD. It’s back the car for me.

        • OT Richter

          Indeed. A friend stated that AT is now terminating his bus service at the train station so that people have to take the last leg of their journey on the train. I believe this is to artificially elevate the train patronage so that central govt coughs up the uber $million to build the rail loop.

          I also see that the peak hour train services are increasing to 10 min intervals (from 15). A conductor I was speaking to was dubious as to how this was going to work, as the system is already straining.

          • Santa Fe fan

            Again this will be to prove we ‘need’ the rail loop!. If the increased frequency causes a meltdown AT will use that as their justification to bring it forward. They would also need to release “proper” patronage figures showing there was actually an increase in numbers using the trains, not just the same nimber of people spread over more trains.

  • wilson

    Of all the hundreds of true tax havens around the world. John doe singles out John key to a German news paper. I could be reading to much into this, but is this Kim dot com moment of truth part 2. Just saying.

    • Intrigued

      I would bet Nicky Hager has his fingerprints all over this. It is truly farcical!
      The Panama Papers are apparently to be released in a searchable database on Tuesday – and we’re expected to believe the data hasn’t been manipulated? Give me strength.

      • I’m still waiting for Dirty Politics – the other emails.

        • Intrigued

          Oh, do you mean the ones where all the left politicians communicated with WO?
          I bet they won’t see the light of day ever!

          • And the media.

          • Intrigued

            Of course – momentarily forgot about them!

          • Isherman

            You could be excused for that…they are pretty forgettable for the most part.

        • PhantomsDoc

          I hate to say it Pete, but, I’m starting to come to the conclusion that you need to release the e-mails and correspondence that was cleansed from ‘Dirty Politics’.

          I realise that there are very major ethical reasons behind not releasing them, and these are major and core to any new organisation, however, I think that some sunlight is required.

          My reasoning for this:

          1/ To show how corrupt and compromised the new media has become
          2/ To show to what lengths the left are willing to go to to cover up both their perceived wrongdoings and their own behinds
          3/ To show the true integrity of Nicky Hagar and Kim Dotcom
          4/ To show the hold activists like Nicky have over the MSM and the left parties and how the left are compliant in this
          5/ To start putting pressure back on the criminals and the beginning in a change of public attitude towards them.

          I’m sure that there are more than a few people who have had their e-mails held back in exchange for co-operation in trying to take down WO, National, John Key, Charter Schools etc. Are these people still worthy of Cameron’s protection while they attack him and others to save themselves?

      • Sally

        I wonder where this whistleblower, leaker, hacker, busybody Joe Doe will run to and hide when the 200,000 names are released on Tuesday. There will be some seriously angry powerful people out to get him. Maybe Hager can offer him a bed, he thinks he is above the law.

    • Curly1952

      Yes, there appears to be a “smell” in the air at present that the left and their enablers are building for the big hit around the Panama Papers and this will include Hager, media and a couple of opposition parties who shall remain nameless. The “hit” of course will be a beat up and hot air however they will be beside themselves spitting and shouting with rage and there missing millions will instead become the missing 1.1M. No matter what we do etc….

      • Aucky

        Quite a coincidence that all will be revealed on the first day of Question Time. I reckon that this is Andy’s Rubicon – the last shot in the locker. He can’t afford another fizzer and he’s going to personally smear the PM with no holds barred and aided and abetted all the way by the Media Party.

        Once JK and his team have dealt with this I think he should do a deal with Winston and go to the country.

    • Odd Ball

      I’m over this already, For all we know, John Key was ‘mentioned’ after prompting by a reporter to create a news item.

  • Hard1

    Remember that woman arriving with a box of Moet? That was for show, but reveals that Herald reporters use public transport. She clearly didn’t drink any alcohol, because the Mother of The Nation wouldn’t drive home after drinking.

    “Barry, mid-afternoon, rocked up to TV3’s headquarters with champagne under her arm. Co-host Mike McRoberts – also said to have approached the board – carried the beer. Barry wouldn’t comment but flashed V-for-Victory at the cameras.

    When she left hours later, she again declined to comment to the Herald reporter outside. Then, with a nod to the cold and dark, she offered the reporter a silent ride across the city to the Herald offices.”

  • I think this is a valid point. (pic)

    • Justme

      As the bank ad says; Money is not evil, it is how we choose to use it that makes it evil.

      • Nige.

        I would say it is how people choose to GET and keep it that is evil.

        • XCIA

          If luck is on the side of the good guys, the equalizers come along, confiscate it and give it to the public purse, where hopefully it is channeled to good works.

    • Crowgirl

      My theory is selfishness is the root of all evil, money is just a motivator.

      • Odd Ball

        The people that talk most about people been selfish, are the ones that want generally want something for free, but don’t practice what they preach.
        There’s nothing wrong with long term rational self interest.
        I would would argue that selflessness is a major problem, it leads towards the ideals of communism and socialism.

        • kereru

          Selflessness is what motivates altruism and is regarded as a virtue. Communism is a tyranny which seeks to impose uniformity – and opposes individuality. Whether a person is selfish or selfless (a rare quality) they must still conform. The denial of individuality is the major problem, not selflessness.

          • Cadwallader

            What amused me last year during the anti-TPP splurge by the Left and its non-thinking loudmouthed adherents was that NZ was “losing its sovereignty.” Putting to one side the fact that NZ’s sovereignty was ceded to the UN about 70 years ago, those in the Left refuse to acknowledge that the most vulnerable and endangered sovereignty is that of the human individual. The State is a child of individual co-operation and not something which was miraculously created as a seamless construct.

        • Crowgirl

          Lots of people on the Left side of things think they are the only ones capable of feeling empathy or doing charitable works, thereby demonstrating that they are knuckleheads as well as lacking in a generosity of spirit towards their fellow man.

          Their desire to feel morally superior derives totally from their selfish desire to feel better about themselves, and is totally arrogant.

      • Cadwallader

        I believe that the opposite of selfishness is not generosity but selflessness. I regard selflessness as a greater evil than its opposite. If one fails to have a sense of self then one cannot relate decently to others nor steer a moral path.

        • kereru

          Selflessness does not equate to failing to have a sense of self, but of putting it in its rightful place. I believe the sense of self is actually more acute in the selfless. It’s the selfless who give their lives to rescue someone in peril, and we call them heroes. It’s the selfless who toil for years looking after a loved one who is incapacitated and we admire their self-sacrificial love. Where does the inability to steer a moral path come into this?

          • Cadwallader

            If you ascribe to the definition of selflessness you detail then you are saying that selflessness is a form of moral giving. The problem with this is; where does the drive to give in that manner come from? Ipso-facto it must derive from a sense of self which negates the definition of selflessness as you depict it? There; is the dog now chasing its tail?

          • Crowgirl

            And if your selflessness drive makes you feel good about yourself or morally superior in some way, it’s not selflessness per se. Ergo some acts of generosity are motivated by the selfish desire to feel good about oneself ?

          • kereru

            A truly selfless individual never consciously thinks of themselves that way – they just like helping, usually behind the scenes. Only the recipient knows what they’ve given or done. I agree, anyone who thinks they’re morally superior as a result is acting out of selfish motives.

          • Crowgirl

            If they’re getting some enjoyment out of it and there is a pay-off for them, then it’s not entirely selfless though. It’s not really selfish, but there is definitely self-interest there, it’s just being put to good use.

          • kereru

            I think as humans we are allowed to get some pleasure from helping others! The motive for doing what you do is the key factor here. If nobody knows except the other person involved, that’s how it should be. Of course, Christians believe the motive comes from Christ, and do not wish to take credit for their actions, knowing that we are no less selfish than anyone else.

          • Crowgirl

            Sure it’s nice to be nice and if you get brownie points with the big JC then so much the better, I’m just saying there is still self-interest at play ?

          • kereru

            Nah, no brownie points involved. Can’t earn your salvation. If the motive is self-interest then it’s made null and void. It isn’t a matter of being ‘nice’ either. Jesus did not suffer and die out of self-interest, or because it’s nice to be nice, but out of His great love for you and me. That’s why I cannot take the credit, because left to myself I’m just as selfish as anyone else.

          • Miss McGerkinshaw

            I don’t think the ‘motive’ is self-interest but agree with Crowgirl that there is more often than not a level of ‘feeling good about myself’ behind the act. Not necessarily saying it’s wrong just that I think it’s there.

          • Miss McGerkinshaw

            In fact I wonder how truly selfless anyone is.

            Some years as part of ‘exercising my soul’ the task was “to do somebody a good turn and not get found out: if anybody knows of it, it will not count”.

            It is actually quite difficult. Even if the recipient isn’t made aware of the whatever, the desire to tell someone how ‘good’ I had been was difficult to overcome. Got easier with time but made me aware of how much the ‘selfless act of kindness’ wanted to be affirmed by someone.

          • Crowgirl

            Exactly – I guess if it didn’t feel good no one would do it, but it’s never truly selfless in that case.

          • kereru

            What motivates altruism? Does it even exist? There’s obviously some satisfaction in giving of yourself to benefit the welfare of others, but does that negate its value? What about the likes of volunteer doctors who give their skills training others and running free clinics in the Third World. Are you saying that their altruism is selfish? Selflessness is not the abandonment of self, but a clear-sighted view of your own importance in the scheme of things. Selfishness is intrinsic in all of us, as is self-protection. And there’s nothing wrong with that as long as it doesn’t override all else.

            Most people like to make someone smile, to give comfort or make them laugh, give their time or their money to another person who is in need. Selfishness distances us from others – ‘it’s not my problem. I don’t want to get involved.’

          • Cadwallader

            The key word is “voluntary” or its derivatives. The Left believes that the sole fountain of altruism comes through the conduit of a state run welfare system. It does not. Altruism, I believe flows not from conscious thinking but from a deeper wish which nestles in the soul or core of an unaffected individual.

          • kereru

            ‘Altruism, I believe flows not from conscious thinking but from a deeper wish which nestles in the soul or core of an unaffected individual.’

            An excellent definition and I totally agree. Altruism is not, and never has been, a political issue but a deeply personal one. True altruism is a rare thing, but that may be because it doesn’t trumpet its virtue. By definition it is ‘anonymous’.

        • Crowgirl

          It’s a fine line and as you say a sense of self is incredibly important and self-interest is natural; it’s just when that self interest serves the self to the extent that it materially damages someone else, where it becomes problematic.

          • Cadwallader

            Agree. All social interaction must be voluntary and based on a conjoined perception that an act is mutually beneficial. The problem with the Left is that to survive they refuse to invest in the idea that people can conduct their lives in the manner I depict above. The Left needs (and relies on) compulsion ahead of individual sovereign acts.

    • kereru

      This is a common misquote. ‘The love of money is the root of all kinds of evils’ – a totally different matter. (1 Tim 6:10)

  • sarahmw

    Not a Duncan Garner fan but read his piece in The Press regarding the violent abuse that resulted in the death of Moko. Agree 100% with what he says. They murdered that wee child and to be allowed to take the manslaughter charge is disgusting. The male has form and is related to another dirtbag who systematically beat and killed a child. As Duncan Garner writes, where are the thousands of protesters marching in the streets. The luvvies are too busy being self Important and patting themselves on the back to be worried about the real world. I see Andrew Dickens is starting to see the light too. We live in hope.

  • Doc45

    I have been reading the stories around the murder of Moko Sayviah Rangitoheriri. He was killed by two animals who were supposed to be his caregivers. I don’t mind admitting to wiping a tear or two from my eyes thinking about the defenseless little guy and his sister. It is one of the most horrific, brutal, in human killings you will ever read about. It is almost unthinkable that such sadistic, cold blooded depravity can exist in our community. Some how they have been charged with manslaughter. What a travesty. There are still problems in the system when such evil can occur under the nose of welfare agencies.

    • Rick H

      These type of people really are the type that decades ago would have been in mental institutions long before they started breeding.
      They simply are Not Normal.

    • Hard1

      Guess the occupation of Tania Shailer, one of the murderers.

      • kereru


        • Chris EM

          Early child care teacher. ): (

        • Hard1


      • FornaK


    • KGB

      I went on a two day rant about this and have come to the decision the law must change. I understand why the plea deal was reached, though it disgusted me.
      We need a new category & penalties for child homicide. Just as we do for male against female assault.
      The law assumes a female is less able to defend herself, right or wrong. But a child is totally defenceless.
      There are 3 degrees of murder, each degree lessening in penalty. Manslaughter is defined as more an accidental consequence of an assault, or provocation, which carries the same penalty as murder 3. Murder 3 is defined as having an excuse like “I was drunk.”My laymen language of course.
      So if we indroduced Child Homicide 1,2,&3, we can set the CH3 bar a lot higher than the current 10 years for manslaughter. CH1 should be life without parole, CH3 should be 20 years. Any plea agreements would start at that point.
      Nothing else has worked. We can’t fix evil, neither can an army of social workers. Let alone money.
      Let’s develop laws that fit the crime, and close the loopholes around them we saw in the Kahui case. (Agreed silence) Charge them all and let the Courts decide.

      • kereru

        Very well said, KGB. The torture and killing of an infant or child should involve the highest level of punishment possible. Plea bargaining should not apply in these cases.

        • Doc45

          Bring back the rack for these monsters.

      • Mighty1

        No Jury Trials for these cases. That would fix it, police could charge with Murder and get a positive result.

        • KGB

          Problem is proving who did it. There is usually at least 2 suspects and in the Kahui case several. Deals are done when they all stay silent, and plea not guilty, and that will always be the case. They are difficult crimes to prosecute.
          If we make the cheapest deal a 20 year minimum I could live with that.

    • taxpayer

      This case has touched me deeply.
      Taupo is my home, I have a son the same age as Moko was, I was 43 years old when Moko was murdered, the same age as one of the disgusting pigs who murdered him.
      I have even seen Tania Shailer about town, the evil fat pig.
      A give a little page has been set up with the aim of using the funds to force some kind of justice for Moko, or a law change so plea bargaining is not an option for this type of crime, via the sensible sentencing trust.
      Please give generously fellow Whaleoilers.
      We have had enough of this, lets say it loud and clear, change the law, throw the book at anyone who does this sort of crime and stamp this out once and for all.

  • cows4me

    Couple of hours ago went over to shift the cows which are over by the river. Couple of hunters, furlong looks on their faces and that was just the dogs, walking along the bank. I had to laugh, it’s like the middle of summer. All the ducks with half a brain are sitting out at sea or laughing their heads off sitting on the lake in New Plymouth. Heard a couple of shoots over the settling ponds but those ducks will be long gone. Off up to the shearing shed to have a few beers and to hear tales of duck misery I’m picking.

    • Carl

      I can imagine the Pukekura park lake packed and not with people.

  • Nige.

    Re: the nation:

    Gee I hope Lisa Owen is the next to leave media works. She always manages to bring down the tone.

    • Nige.

      Get Jamie wyte off the TV!!!!

      There’s only one reason the nation would put him on the screen.

    • Sally

      As my husband is away I thought this morning do I turn on TV and watch/listen to The Nation or do the housework. Once I realised I would have to put up with Lisa Owen the choice was easy, turn some music on and do the housework (in between times checking out WO).

      • Nige.

        I know!

        I hardly ever watch but this morning I was feeling a little pseudomasocistic.

        • I suspect next week she’ll be a must-watch.

          • Nige.

            If youre saying what I think you are saying then yes.

          • It won’t be pretty.

          • Nige.

            I hope you’ve booked in your next trip away. To recover.

          • Nah, it will be nothing, comparatively speaking.

    • XCIA

      When Lisa Owen is mentioned, I cant get “the Taming of the Shrew” out of my head..

    • OneTrack

      I always thought she brought up the tone – to a wild screech.

    • Eiselmann

      I endured that programme for a long time , but I always cringed when Lisa Owen was on screen, shes John Campbell sans charm (even if Campbells is mostly insincere).I gladly avoid it now unless an Oiler points out a ‘faceplant’ moment when their editing doesn’t produce the result they wanted.

      If she ever leaves Mediaworks she’ll land on her feet somewhere else ,heaven forbid she had to be one with ‘the people’ and get an actual job that involves a medium wage

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  • Sally

    Funny thing I heard today on the news.
    Protest at Aotea Square “John Key must go” 1000 plus confirmed on facebook their attendance, only 30 turned up. The organisers can’t understand it.
    Probably more media there than protestors.

    • Dave

      Great news, I look forward to the media reporting it as the failure it was, and the inference, John Key must NOT go, :)