Whaleoil General Debate

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  • Curly1952

    Here it is 7.25 and not a comment. Everyone one still under the duvet? Remember for every cold wet day we get we are one day closer to a hot sunny day. That should cheer you up

    • Uncle Bully

      I look forward to June 21st. Then the days start getting longer again. Today will be 1m 18s shorter than yesterday :(

      • Cadwallader

        My grandfather always insisted that 19th July is the date spring begins to beckon. It is 4 weeks after the shortest day ans the days have stretched by 10 mites at either end. This makes a difference when you get up early to go to work. The hours of daylight begin to grow significantly after 19th July. There’s a good web-page called “Time and Date” which lists sunrises and sunsets for all of the 365 days of the year and gives countdowns to solstices and equinoxes. As a nerd I find it fascinating. By the way, John Key caused this cold weather by not taxing us enough.

        • Uncle Bully

          That’s how I knew today is 1m 18s shorter

    • Quinton Hogg

      Left for work at 7.00am as usual. Put heated seat thing on in car. mmm warm backside.
      Number one son snug in bed under the duvet.
      Number 2 son wandering around in shorts only.

  • pisces8284

    According to Hosking, the average wage is 70k per year. There must be a lot of people earning big money to make that the average, Well I suppose with the Masterton District Council CEO on 200k that would be true

    • Nige.

      And over a hundred people on Auckland council ‘earning’ OVER $100,000.

      • Vlad

        Don’t want to upset you Nige but it’s not just over 100, it’s getting on for TWO THOUSAND Auckland council staff earning more than $100,000 a year.

        Here’s a quote from a NZ Herald report nearly 2 years ago, number will have increased since:

        “Remuneration figures released to the Herald show total wages paid were up $9 million to $702 million for the year ending June 2014. There are also 1780 staff earning more than $100,000 – 280 more than the 1500 in the previous period.”

        • Nige.


        • johnandali

          Wouldn’t it be interesting to do a study on what it takes to earn $100k p.a. working for Auckland City? I suspect that any person wanting to find out about it, wouldn’t be allowed near the place.

    • Sagacious Blonde

      Fonterra’s doing their bit too.
      The dairy giant’s last financial statement [2015] showed more than 4000 of its 18,000 world-wide staff earn at least $100,000 per year, while 17 staff earn more than $1 million annually.

  • Usaywot

    Been thinking about all these thousands of people supposedly living in cars. Where are their possessions? Are we expected to believe that a family has got to the point of living in a car AND owning no possessions? Babies with no prams, households with no kitchen equipment etc? Unbelievable! What on earth have these people been doing all their lives? I heard Danielle Begin advocating for the homeless yesterday. She said she had a family who had been living in a car and the father was fully employed as a welder. So where are his belongings?

    • johnandali

      I suspect you’ll find their belongings back in their house in the South Island. Our MSM only tell us some of the facts. After all, why would they want to ruin a perfectly good story by telling us the truth? And that’s why so many journalists are playing these games. The facts get mixed up with the fiction, and it makes a good read.

  • Sally

    It is not often I would post a link to an opinion piece in The Herald but the latest article written by Alan Duff on violence by Maori is a absolute must read. Here is someone who is actually going to do something instead of just typing words.
    Through his Duffy Books in Homes programme he wants to provide free parenting books to 100,000 homes.

    • MaryLou

      Well, we wanted someone to stand up, and here he is. Wonderful article, and even better that he is actively doing something! However, along with the books – which I think is great – the other things he talks about are even more important. A real change in culture really. I look forward to hearing much, much more from him!

      • JEL51

        The door has opened for the MSM to run with it now but I fear the PC mindset won’t even allow them to look objectively.
        That clip just had to have a political swing with Jacinda thanking everyone at the end. This is NOT a political issue Jacinda!!!

        • Sailor Sam

          I heard Jacinda being interviewed after she marched.
          A mouthful of platitudes, no hard hitting words directed where they should be directed and where middle NZ knows they should be directed.
          She connected as much with middle NZ as Andrew Little did with his already forgotten speech last weekend.
          Combine that with Grant Roberston wanting to tax middle NZ more so he can give money to the ferals, no-hopers and drop kicks of this world and you can plainly see the disconnect a little party has with mainstream NZers.
          Long may that continue.

    • Wheninrome

      Yes, and he wrote an excellent film depicting exactly the sort of thing we are talking about. A film people actually walked out of, because it nailed the subject exactly and it was too close for comfort for some people.

      • johnandali

        And what’s the illiteracy rate of low-decile Maoris? I suspect it’s very high. So who is going to read the books? See my plea to Alan Duff in today’s WO article addressing the problem.

        • Wheninrome

          You are correct, they can watch pictures, so maybe a comic book, but that will offend someone, and motivating them to do any of the above is a whole new ball game.

    • KatB

      Awesome article. I like that he is also wanting to come up with a solution and not just sit on the sidelines and comment about it. Nice to hear somebody talking about some old fashioned morals and manners too.

  • Monty’smate

    I met a PI family at church on Sunday and went to visit them to drop in some groceries in the evening. They would qualify for Labour’s ‘living in a garage’ syndrome! Because they have 7 children and only one income coming in they have converted the attached garage into a kind of living space to provide some extra room. Not the warmest place in mid-winter but a practical solution to their situation. Of course, the question that needs to be asked are how come these parents are continuing to produce children when they clearly don’t have the means to fully provide for their needs. I am a Catholic but question why Pope Francis witters on about climate change without addressing the topic of birth control! Grrrr…..

    • Usaywot

      I think you’ll find the large family is more cultural than religious. Large families are a sign of virility, apparently, and in the islands, many hands were needed to work the land.

    • Crowgirl

      You know if he encouraged birth control he could probably knock climate change on the head too.

    • johnandali

      In many cultures in earlier times, couples were encouraged to have lots of children. And why? It’s because life expectancy was low. Lots of children died in infancy. The parents also needed children to look after them in their old age, because with no benefit systems, the parents would starve to death. These days have long since gone, but the cultural system hasn’t changed one iota.

  • Ken Douglas will be shocked to learn that he’s dead, just last week he was writing letters to the Dompost about the Wellington mayoralty.

    • JEL51

      Oh Dear, I thought he at least must be buried somewhere as it is a long time since his bulk filled the screens.

    • Usaywot

      I’m not sure who it was that said “Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated”

      • Rob

        Mark Twain.

  • Keyser Soze
    • KatB

      Did you read the link about Australian schools and the lists of foods they’re banning because of allergies? Soon there’ll be a lot of kids hungry at school because there wont be any foods left that don’t cause some sort of allergic reaction to somebody.

  • jcpry

    Hard to comprehend that people actually believed the propaganda coming out of China. A must read is the biography of Mao – if you didn’t know it was true you would think it was a fantastic piece of fiction writing.

  • Zanyzane

    The problem we have in NZ is that we are so preoccupied with a tiny migrant number that equates to 14k a year and another 36k drawn from an existing pool of international students already counted as PLT migrants that would only stay for a few years and we conveniently forget that there is a 400k increase in tourists running around and John Key is planning for 4 million an increase of 800,000 over an above the 3.2 million this year. It is clear we are not building too many hotels or motels. Guess where they end up staying? Air BnB your everyday tourist survival guide to accomodation in NZ. Guess what? Almost all 4million will first stay in Auckland before they head out to the rest of NZ.

    Lets cut migrant numbers by 20k and increase tourists by 800k and we expect house prices to fall?? This housing issue is not going to go away until we start building more houses. Mt Roskill, Mt Eden, Epsom, Remuera has to be rezoned for 18 level buildings. Especially so with Mt Roskill where they are poorer people and do not have lawyers to object.

  • Ghost

    Just a quick note before leave to attempt my bucket list, bit short notice I know and am in a bit of a panic, apparently, and this is from Stuff so it must be good, life expectancy has reduced remarkably and I feel I am living on borrowed time, the two teenagers 18 and 19 convicted for murder have been given LIFE, up for parole in 10 to 11 years. OK, you do the maths…. looks like we are supposed to expire around the 30 mark so damn it, I got better things to do than waste time typing,…. CYA…………..

  • Zanyzane

    I have been in NZ now for 30 years. Like any new migrant I was keen to grow my assets and to become wealthy. I worked hard and saved every penny and bought a house to live in. Property as an investment was never in my psyche. I then started saving and started to do a small business in my spare time and as that business grew I went full time and as I did not have the capital I had to borrow from the bank to fund my small business. As business improved, I started a share portfolio. However, my business kept getting knocked back by an overly aggressive and hawkish reserve bank. I could not grow my business as the margins quickly got eroded as the business environment started to improve the cost of funds kept rising faster than the sales margins from so called inflation.

    The Reserve Bank kept raising interest rates as petrol prices rose providing a double whammy in cost increases. Both my business and my shareportfolio was decimated as the reserve bank drove the NZ economy into a recession time and time again, under Don Brash and subsequently under the watch of Allan Bollard.

    I then started investing in property as the value of my home kept increasing, through the bad times the decline in value was relatively short term, it dawned on me that property was fairly resilient in the face of rising interest rates that decimated my business and my share portfolio.

    In 2002, I put every cent and borrowed up to my eyeballs to invest in investment property as I noticed that there was a structural issue of supply in Auckland. Initially I started as a part time speculator and bought and sold a couple of properties. I quickly realised that buying and selling property was a mugs game ie there was no profit. The real money was in long term investment ie 10 year cycles.

    It is the persistently high interest rates and the rapid increases that drove me into property as a business contrary to what the economists ideology indicates.

  • Aquarius 61

    Unparked cars? Really Stuff? The next evolution of cars …

    • Wheninrome

      We have to blame someone, so I will blame the driving instructors, not the reporter.

    • KatB

      I think you’ve got to hand it to those thieves. They must be very motivated. Instead of targeting the easy option of parked cars, they’ve gone for those unparked cars, which I guess must mean they’re moving. Now that must require some skill.

  • Eiselmann

    Looks like Venezuela is well on the way towards solving excess sugar comsumption and excess beer consumption .seems a shortage of sugar and barley is impacting on coke cola and beer production.

    I daresay Labour will be all over this