Whaleoil General Debate

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  • idbkiwi

    It’s on…the fightback against politcal correctness has begun! Russians, Neo-Nazi’s, Violence and a Kiwi connection. This will be all over the news any second now.

    “Sausage-Weilding Gang Attacks Vegan Cafe”

    “It happened over the weekend at the Kiwi Cafe in the capital city of Tbilisi. The cafe was holding an English-language movie screening when the group came in and started the violence”.

    “They pulled out grilled meat, sausages, fish and started eating them and throwing them at customers”….that was just the beginning…”before starting to smoke, which is forbidden at the cafe”.

    The cafe patrons called for help but…”neighbors, who are not happy with a vegan establishment being located there, joined in the fight”.


    • Uncle Bully

      If the leftie MSM want to get all upset about damaging NZ’s international reputation, it should be because of this! Do we really want the world thinking we are vegans?

  • Davo42

    Nice Richie Mcaw hit job in Stuff this morning from doc Beaglhole who is unhappy with the all blacks powerade sponsorship arrangement. Apparently a 5 year old he was pulling some teeth from said he drinks it because Richie does – Beagleholes suggestion is to ban any sugary drink advertising within 500m of schools. How is that going to stop deadbeat parents buying sugar drinks for kids?

    • Brian Smaller

      I saw that article as well and was about to comment on it.

      That five year old did not drink Powerade because his hero Richie did – he drank it because his stupid parents brought it for him. And obviously also never made sure he brushed his teeth. As you say – deadbeat parents.

      And interestingly, Stuff closed comments on that article last night when comments were running about 99-1 against the slant of the article.

      • Davo42

        The lesson for Stuff is: think carefully before doing a weakly linked hit job on a national hero – What is next? Surely they will bag Earnest Rutherford for causing the atomic bombing of Japan.

        • Raibert

          Or Steven Adams for causing obesity by eating pies.

          • KGB

            That would be Nige’s fault

      • Disinfectant

        Anything negative in the Press about Chistchurchs Mayor doesnt stay on Stuff too long.

    • Mighty1

      A big issue with these kids with rotten teeth is the parents feeding them sweet drinks from a baby’s bottle when they are 1, 2, 3, etc years old. It’s not just buying a Powerade.

    • Oh Please

      Presumably the 5 yo also bought a Versatile garage. No?

      • johcar

        Perhaps the family is living in one…

  • Uncle Bully

    A friendly reminder from the BBC about the reality of a religion called Islam.


    The Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) is a constitutional body of Pakistan, that among other things, want to repeal a women’s protection law that makes it easier for female victims of domestic violence to report abuse, and introduced procedures to keep the perpetrator away from the victim until the dispute was resolved. The CII declared it un-Islamic.

    Instead, they advocate allowing a husband to “lightly” beat his wife if, among other things, she refuses to dress properly or turns down overtures for sexual intercourse.

    They are also keen on lowering the legal age of marriage for females from 16 to 9!

    Sounds to me like they are trying to legitimise the rape of 9 year old girls. Go figure.

    • kereru

      It’s high time they left the barbarism of the Stone Age behind and repealed the notorious Blasphemy Law, which is widely recognised as being used to settle cooked-up grievances against non-Muslims – simply for being non-Muslim. Want your non-Muslim neighbour’s land? Accuse him of burning a page of the Qur’an. Want to drive the non-Muslim family out of your Muslim majority village – accuse them of insulting Mohammed’s mother. No evidence needed. Works every time. And the penalty for breaking the Blasphemy Law is death.

  • Richard

    Meanwhile..on the other side of the world…Helen Clark face palms…

  • Curly1952

    A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
    Well Labour/Green take anyone on the right as complete fools.


      That reminds me of a statement my economics professor made many years ago….if you make things even monkeys can use, only monkeys will use it.

      • johcar

        The prime reason that Apple is so successful….

  • Isherman

    It looks like the worm may be starting to turn in the Brexit polling, no doudt encouraged by the recent advent of small rigid inflatables turning up in Britain from France. When Cameron promised to cap migrants to 100K and has since had 3 times that, the images of illegals in boats turning up wont do much to help the “in” campaign. 25 days to go and its looking like a very close run thing indeed.

  • Dumrse

    Politics was once about policies and why you should vote for us and what we will do for you and the country when we get into power. Now, it’s all about getting John Key OUT. It’s about bringing down the current government and to achieve that we now see a marriage between a chameleon and and octopus. Why don’t one of you show us your big kahuna’s and announce a policy that in 18mths time the DPB will not be extended beyond two children. And, by the way, if you want to squeeze another one out in the intervening period of 18mths, be aware the DPB will only increase by a measly $xx.xx. Or, some other sort of policy that will get my attention and perhaps my vote.
    Your current MOU is not worth the paper you have printed it on and from left of centre to the far right, your voters have just kissed you goodbye. You will be consigned to the opposition benches yet again and, I don’t have a political brain in my body so if I can see this there is every chance somebody else will. Dip Sticks.

    • R&BAvenger

      I think it is a marriage of convenience for Labour, as they are dead broke. It will alienate Labour supporters who don’t trust the Greens and vice versa.

      • Dumrse

        Agreed, they are more than broke, they only have half a handful of members, no coherent policies and no idea where the missing million are hiding. Make that the missing 1.5million as more of them now depart.

      • Cadwallader

        That’s a good point. Do the Greens have more $$$$ in their bank accounts than Labour? If so, Labour married for money. Their first spat therefore will be about spending it. The Greens will object to Labour’s big red diesel bus spewing fumes up and down the highways while Andy will inform Materia that she spends more on each new jacket than he has spent on suits in a lifetime. We’re in for some hilarious months ahead as the new “party” becomes a wake.

  • Korau

    North Korean Failures Flow Freely.

    NK has suffered an embarrassing rocket failure. A statement from South Korea’s Joint Chiefs of Staff says the launch attempt happened in the eastern city of Wonsan in Gangwon Province, at about 5:20am local time. “Official sources” told Yonhap it was a Musudan intermediate-range ballistic missile.

    Yonhap drily notes that the “back-to-back launch failures stoked skepticism on the reliability of North Korea’s Musudan missiles”.

    In fact, NK has NEVER successfully launched a Musudan missile. Photoshop just doesn’t fly.

    In further news from this paradise on earth they have launched a local copy of Facebookwhich was accessible worldwide, no doubt so dear leader can keep in touch with his happy people. Unfortunately they forgot to change the default login usernames and passwords. The site was reportedly hacked to death. That oversight meant the combination of “admin” and “password” did the trick.

    Oops. Rocket and IT techies can expect re-education.

    • Odd Ball

      China’s Chairman Mao didn’t bother with re-education, after failed missile tests, new scientists were ’employed’, and the old ones ended up looking at the wrong end of a gun.

  • Isherman

    Folks, can I suggest a name for our latest political civil union…The Angreen’s.

    • Brian Smaller

      Why not just be honest and call it the Aoteoroan Liberation Front. Their rhetoric is revolutionary – oust the dictator John Key. I know it wont be long before we will hear chants of ‘Death to the kulaks (especially urban ones)’.

      • Oh Please

        Or more honest and call it Communist.

    • Huia

      I like the sound of Grabmore.
      Gr = Greens
      Ab = L’ab’our
      more = mixture of reject elitists

  • Nige.

    Kudos to Davo42 for pointing that out

  • Wheninrome

    Labour and the Greens watch way too much tv, they have taken their idea from The Batchelor, however they are still confused as there doesn’t appear to be a winner, although maybe they are working to script, there was no winner in the last series.

  • Curly1952

    Given Labour colours are red and the Greens green – a good name for them could be the ReGress Party

  • pisces8284

    Mike Hosking – if you are reading this, time to kick Annette King to the kerb on your Politics Wednesday spot. She just comes across as a whiny, pouty, sulky, immature girl full of bluster

    • Oh Please

      She acts as a positive for National – keep her there!

      • pisces8284

        You are right, but I just can’t listen to her childish responses, it gets switched off

    • Rob

      Like all female lefty politicians they try to shout down the other side.

  • Seriously?

    A British Labour MP has tweeted that “I think twitter is dead” after there was a flurry of sexualised abuse about her on twitter (she has started a campaign against online bullying).

    Yes, you read that right. Her campaign was about online bullying, and she chose to express the view that twitter is dead on… well… twitter. Labour MPs seem the same the world over.


  • Seriously?

    It seems that Kim Jong Un has backed Trump for the next president. I’m sure that was an endorsement his team welcomed!

    Latest odds:
    Clinton 1.52 (on 25/5 was 1.53)
    Trump 3.80 (on 25/5 was 3.30)

    Sanders (24.00) and Biden (34.00) still sniff around in case Clinton is ruled out due to the email stuff.

    • Abjv

      Where is Romney on the list? There’s an approach being contemplated where the GPO hierarchy run Romney as a 3rd party candidate in some states, with the aim of denying Clinton and Trump an electorate collage majority. The election then follows a tie-breaker clause and gets sent to the present Congress to pick one of the top 3. Congress is Republication in nature and doesn’t like Trump.

      • Seriously?

        Mitt Romney is paying $280 for your one dollar investment.

  • Sally

    I am left wondering when some Labour MPs say enough of this shenanigans.
    Surely some of them are sick of looking like fools every time Little opens his mouth.

    • Seriously?

      I think there are plenty that would like to.

      Were you thinking a coup, or a splinter? I don’t think either are likely until after the next election, but then we are sure to have one or other.

    • Sailor Sam

      As they would generally be un-employable outside of parliament, they know which side their bread is buttered on, so are keeping quiet and pocketing their $160,000 salary without doing anything constructive.

  • Disinfectant

    The Press is reporting that the Police have been gagged in the South Island.

    They are not allowed to disclose the Nationality if any driver invovled in a crash.

    Where in earth would such a policy come from. Is it political to save any offence to the country from whuch most come from and end up crashing?

    There needs to be a bit of sunlight shone on this policy which has only been in effect since last October.

    • Seriously?

      I think the policy might have come from the media making a great play of the nationality in the case of foreign nationals, but not when they were NZers, and hence creating the perception there is a problem where none existed (or at least not one anywhere approaching the media’s rhetoric). That resulted in vigilantes taking keys of people and the like.

      Maybe the Police’s response is a fair one to try and lessen the media created lynch mob fever a little.

  • EpochNZ

    I’m finding myself lately visiting WO a lot more during the day than I did in the past….the reason?

    The absolute hilarious japes from those guys and gals on the left hand side of the political spectrum that plays out better than any sitcom I’ve seen. I just cant wait for the next instalment to see what those nutty people are going to do next!

  • STAG

    So can we expect to see Labour trumpeting their membership numbers now that they “grown” be 5000 or so over night?

    Reasonable Left Wing politics is currently dead in this country and that worries me. I dont like their politics but they are a necessary evil to ensure competent government. The problem with socialism is its tendency to creep in to rational minds the longer they stay in power. We’re seeing this now with National. Plain Packages and Immigration are examples where we should be able to expect a Center Right government to allow its people to choose. Instead they are starting to Tell us what is Good for Us. This is a concern and it wouldn’t happen if Labour weren’t such a mess.

    Another reason to dislike them, they can’t even oppose this properly.

    • localnews

      you are right, and whether we like it or not, National wont be in power for ever. They may win next time, but the country will eventually get sick of them, or John Key will retire. In 2020 Winston will be gone, and Labour and the Greens may well get to power. Nationals drift well to the left means we choose between that or hard left. I think the efforts to steal labours policies are a terrible idea.

  • [MOD] notice: out of necessity, I’ve gone back to zero tolerance on people breaching moderation rules. If you find yourself on the bench, it’s going to be a cold lonely two months ahead. So far, 1 made the grade. Don’t be number 2.

    Once some self-restraint is on display, moderators can go back to being the relaxed people we prefer to be.

  • Huia

    Where are we with the Angry Little Andy apologies to the Vanuatu Hotel developers?
    Seems to have gone quiet or did he apologise and I missed it?
    Or have they started defamation proceedings?