flag debate

Even if you leave it to young people, there still would be no flag change

My 19-year-old voted in?the?referendum: he voted to retain the existing flag. I asked him why (and he is pretty disconnected from politics, except when I am under attack). He told me he thought the proposed flag was gay.

Seems other young people agree.

If Tauranga’s teenage girls are anything to go by, the New Zealand flag will be remaining as is after voting closes on Thursday.

One hundred and thirty-six Tauranga Girls’ College students were polled this week on what their choice of flags would be in the referendum, with 62 per cent voting for retaining the current flag and 38 per cent wanting the alternative option. ?? Read more »

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Winston goes for the microscopic nit-pick on the next Flag Referendum ?scandal?

Winston? No one cares.

Claims of a flag referendum translation blunder have emerged for a second time this week.

New Zealand First leader Winston Peters said today the Russian text in a pamphlet accompanying voting papers “twists the meaning to again promote a flag change”.

“The Russian translates as ‘Put a tick next to the flag that in your opinion should become the New Zealand flag’,” Mr Peters said.

“It’s subtle but suggests a flag change; it should read ‘should be the New Zealand flag’.”

Mr Peters said: “The level of incompetence is worrying.” ? Read more »

Oh, come on John, treat us with more respect

As Prime Minister, Mr Key he believes it was up to him to instigate change, but that doesn’t make it his “pet project”.

“The Prime Minister of the day is probably the only person who can put this on the referendum table if you like, because in the end it actually has to have a process to get there,” he said.

“Second thing is, whatever you think of the process, we’re the only country in the world that’s ever asked our people to choose their flag. I reckon there’s something healthy about that democracy, that we do that even if the flag I don’t like gets there.”

In 1993, post-apartheid South Africa asked the public for new flag ideas, but none of the 7000 entries were used. The job eventually fell to a professional flag designer. The lack of such an expert on the Flag Consideration Panel in last year’s selection of the final four (later five, with the addition of ‘Red Peak’) was widely criticised.

But Mr Key says the process used to get where we are now — Kyle Lockwood’s black and blue design versus the existing flag — couldn’t have been any better.

“When you’re in Opposition and you want to vote for something but you can’t find a good reason, you say ‘process’. Honestly, process? Read more »

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Nasty lefty asshole Anthony Hubbard orders you to vote for change

Anthony Hubbard is one of the more spiteful and nasty journalists still with a job in New Zealand.

When he isn’t attacking the government he is working on new projects to attack the government.

Today it appears the Sunday Star-Times has gone all in to promote the change for the flag, and they’ve even let Anthony Hubbard out of the shadows to moan.

Our flag is not just absurd, it’s laughable. “New Zealand,” it says, “still British after all these years.”

“Kiwis,” it says, “colonial and proud.”?”Don’t disturb,” it says, “still asleep in the 19th?century.”

As a symbol of modern New Zealand, the half-pie Union Jack is merely embarrassing.?Anything would be better than this, which is why we should go for the alternative Silver-Fern-plus-Southern-Cross. It’s not much of a flag, but at least it would be ours.

Some call it the rugby flag, a tea-towel that’s worse than that old British thing.?No, it’s not. If you visit New Zealand war graves in Europe, an experience that shakes the soul and tells you who you really are, you will find a silver fern on every tomb.

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How much is your flag vote worth?

People are stupid.

A Trade?Me?user who was disgruntled with the?flag referendum tried?selling their vote.

“To protest the millions of dollars spent on the Flag Consideration Project, I am selling my NZ flag referendum vote,” the seller wrote on the auction ad.

“The winning bidder will decide which flag I vote for.”

The seller?said auction profit would go to a charity that could have benefited?”from the money needlessly spent on the Flag Consideration Project”.

In response to a question on the site about the auction’s legality, the seller responded by asking how “collecting money for charity” could be illegal.

Come Friday evening, the ad was gone, with a message saying an “administrator” had withdrawn it. ? Read more »

John Key fights dirty: dangles ?new flag at Olympics? carrot

John Key is starting to act desperate and pathetic over his pet flag project.

He should just give it up. It isn’t going to change and the more lame-ass stunts he does like this, the worse it will be.

A new flag could be draped around Kiwi athletes at the upcoming Olympic games, if the public choose the alternative.

The voting period on the flag referendum started on Thursday and ends on 24 March.

If the alternative?silver fern design is the victor of the referendum, the Prime Minister confirmed it would be ready to be waved at the ?Rio de Janeiro Olympic games in August.

If the flag was changed?it would not happen instantly, he said, there would need to be a process and the Flag and Emblems Act would have to change. ? Read more »

My word some people are stupid

A day before postal ballot papers in?the?flag referendum are due to be delivered to households some womble comes out and wonders whether or not yoof should have a say.

Instead of ignoring the fool, the Media party has entertained his nonsense.

Young people under the age of 18 should have been allowed to vote in the country’s flag referendum, a youth group leader says.

The postal vote starts tomorrow.

Youthtown chief executive Paula Kearns said young New Zealanders were often the most engaged on significant issues.

“It is young people who are very interested in the future of their country, and this decision has huge significance for them,” she said. ? Read more »

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Audrey Young: “Politicians can’t be trusted”

Well duh.

The reason most big decisions are not left to referendums has become blindingly clear with New Zealand’s flag debate.

And we are about to be shown another classic lesson in Britain over the next four months.

Politicians cannot be trusted not to stick to the issue. They cannot be trusted not to hijack whatever question is on the block for their own purpose, be it Andrew Little on the flag, Jenny Shipley on superannuation or Boris Johnson on Europe.

That has been the case with New Zealand’s own flag referendum, voting on which starts next Thursday.

Bear in mind that two years ago, when John Key first announced there would be a flag referendum, the reaction of the Labour and Green Party leaders was to welcome it and say that they too would hold a referendum if they won the 2014 election.

Between then and now the leaders of the left have persuaded their supporters to oppose the process, criticise the cost, condemn the timing, question the motives, mock the alternative, and to vote “no change” in order to embarrass a political rival.

And in the process, those with genuine personal concerns either way are now pulled into the pro- and anti-John Key camps against their will.? Read more »

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We won’t change the flag, the polls aren’t moving

Kiwis won’t be voting for change on the flag.

Two thirds of New Zealanders want to keep the current flag, according to a poll ahead of the referendum on the issue.

Since Prime Minister John Key announced the flag referendum in March 2014, polls have consistently shown more than 60 per cent of voters don’t want to change the current flag.

A One News Colmar Brunton poll released on Friday continues the trend with 26 per cent favouring the new design and 63 per cent wanting to keep the existing flag.

Only 40 per cent of National voters want a new flag.

The referendum runs from March 3-24.

Last weekend former All Blacks skipper Richie McCaw joined Dan Carter in calling for a new flag.

In a Facebook post, the New Zealander of the Year said he had realised the country needed a new flag when he ran out onto the field at Twickenham to see the existing flag hanging next to the similar Aussie ensign.

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Labour opposes new flag: members disagree

As readers of this blog will know, it was Labour’s policy going into the 2014 election to change the flag. Since then John Key has made it his project and Labour no longer likes the idea. (I wonder why?)

But see what happens when a Labour candidate tries to engage his followers:

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