Fluoride

Anti-fluoride weirdos upset at proposed law change

Anti-fluoride weirdos are outraged at a proposal before government to clarify the law regarding fluoride…ironically that came about as a result of their appeal.

Anti-fluoride campaigners are alarmed at a “sinister” move to slide through a law change over Christmas, validating councils’ power to add the chemical to drinking water.

Medsafe opened public submissions on November 25 on a law change to stop fluoride being legally defined as a medicine – meaning it can be added to municipal water supplies. The deadline for submissions is this Friday.

The law change comes after a High Court justice said the law needed clarification, as he ruled against an appeal by anti-fluoride groups to stop fluoride being added to water.

David Sloan, the director of anti-fluoridation lobby group New Health New Zealand, said the Ministry of Health was rushing the law change. But the organisation’s request to extend the timeframe for submissions outside of the Christmas and New Year period was dismissed by the Ministry of Health.

“We’re a voluntary organisation and all have jobs, so to expect us to put together a good submission in that timeframe is terrible,” Sloan said. “This is kind of a sinister move by the Ministry of Health.”

The change comes after New Health New Zealand sought a judicial review against the Attorney General, arguing that fluoride was subject to the Medicines Act.     Read more »

An email from Dr. Rob Beaglehole about the Marlborough sugar ban

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Yesterday I ran an article about the strange decision of the Marlborough District Council to look at banning sugary drinks.

I also gave Dr. Rob Beaglehole a sound kicking as well.

I am opposed to councils meddling like this, especially if that same council has decided not to put fluoride in their water. It is my contention that in the case highlighted yesterday that poor parenting firstly and then intransigent councils are the problem, not sugar in drinks.

Dr. Beaglehole phoned me yesterday and we had a friendly discussion about the issue. I suspect we will never agree on the issue of sugary drinks but we do agree on fluoride.

He has emailed me his thoughts and I publish those unedited and with his permission.  Read more »

Marlbourgh District Council loons seeking a ban on sugar, forget they banned fluoride too

The Marlborough District Council are a bunch of loons.

They are now seeking to ban sugary drinks from council facilities in a bid to save kids teeth.

Marlborough District Council could become the second council in New Zealand to ban sugary drinks from being sold at their venues and events.

The council is to develop a policy around the ban after the region’s principal dental officer warned sugar-sweetened beverages were rotting children’s teeth and ramping up levels of obesity and Type II Diabetes.

The council has come under pressure from the Nelson Marlborough District Health Board and Nelson City Council (NCC) to implement a ban on sugary drinks at its events venues. NCC adopted the ban in July and it has been well received by ratepayers there.

If a similar policy gets the green light in Blenheim it would cover sugar-sweetened beverages such as soft drinks, energy drinks, sports drinks and flavoured milk.

They would be banned from sale in council buildings, at its venues including Stadium 2000 in Blenheim, the ferry terminal and airport and at council-run events.

Diet soft drinks would still be sold and people who wanted a sugary drink could bring it to a council building or event.

Nelson Marlborough principal dental officer Dr Rob Beaglehole, who fought for the board to introduce a similar policy in top of the south hospitals, said the council had a responsibility to act as a role model.

“This isn’t a draconian policy for a blanket ban on sugar. We are not about to stop telling people they can’t have sugar in their tea or coffee. It is about making the healthy choice the easiest choice.”

He was sick of extracting rotten teeth from children who had been drinking soft drinks. Last month he pulled 11 teeth from a 2-year-old boy.

Most of his front teeth were rotten and after the extraction he needed 15 stitches.

“He wasn’t in great shape. He hadn’t been sleeping properly for weeks and he hadn’t eaten properly for two weeks.

“His mum was beside herself and sat up with him most nights. He was crying in pain.”

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Guest post: Fluoridation

After SB’s post about Vaccination I received a guest submission about fluoridation.

Hi team

Really impressed about SB post about vaccination. It is so hard to find any unemotional look at the data/facts. Both sides rely heavily on the emotions/guilt/worry/fear deal.

Please find attached a guest post about water fluoridation. The TL;DR summary is that I stated to write a submission about how I don’t support water fluoridation. However as I went through all the points against it, I found them to be half truths. So have changed my mind and now support it. But the difference between un-fluoridated and fluoridated is becoming less as fluoride becomes more common in our environment. So at some time in the future we will no longer need it. Also there are very serious risks of babies being bottle feed obtaining to much fluoride and having health effects.

Have not seen real rebuttals of the anti-fluoride people, so hence this doc. The irony is that an anti-fluoride person drinking a cup of tea gets more fluoride from the tea, than the water! Offered it to the MSM but no one would take it…..

If you tell me the day it is going to be published I can be online for any comments (can’t be Sat or Sun as out for weekend).

Cheers

David


Water fluoridation

A seminal moment occurred to me while at university. And like many such pivotal moments it occurred completely unexpectantly. One day while striding down the university corridor in my tall black leader boots, ripped jeans, long trenchcoat and long hair I got trapped behind to old lecturers slowly ambling down the passage to tea. They were really old, at least 30! One turned to the other and said “ the problem with the system is that by the time we get student to PhD or higher and they can know really start to question things, they are so indoctrinated in the way things are, that they are not willing/able to question things.” This has stayed with me every since as a warning to always be open minded and question the commonly held truisms.

My journey with fluoride begin like most with believing that is was great. But then doing some reading some years ago changed to thinking it was at best a scam and worst a poison. However I didn’t care to much as we were not on town supply, so it was a moot point. Recently Hamilton re-examined its views on fluoridation and as such I went to write a brief facebook post about how they should get ride of it. In this process I realized my belief was based upon some figures I had read, that being dyslexic I had got wrong by a factor of 10. Thus I needed to reexamine by beliefs once again.

This time I seriously looked at every claim the anti-fluoride peoples made, and considered their validity. Most, but not all, fall under the title of half truth or selective data picking. That is there is some truth in their statements but they are not telling the whole picture. These are quickly dealt with before getting onto the arguments, which ironically are not the major ones but forward, that have substance.   Read more »

The Huddle

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I was on the Huddle last night with Larry Williams and Josie Pagani

We covered  the Ewan MacDonald parole denial. Sounds like a good decision. I’m sure had he not been tried for the murder of his brother-in-law he might have had a chance of getting out this early into his sentence. The most bizarre part of this though was his lawyer after the decision was released, he made this speech to the media (while almost in tears) asking for the privacy of McDonald’s children to be respected and to just report on the day’s proceedings and not do anything else. Doesn’t sound like he has a great lawyer – I mean using the Brown Defence is a bit demeaning.

Then we’ve got some odd group from Christchurch taking the South Taranaki district council to court over putting fluoride in the water…as a test case. They say it’s unlawful for the council to do this, and that the legislation allowing them to is outdated and based on old bad science. They are an outfit from Christchurch obviously with too much time on their hands trying to stop fluoridation all around the country. I’d say they need to find something better to do. But hey, who knows what will happen in the outcome.   Read more »

The Huddle at 1740

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I am on the Huddle tonight with Larry Williams and Josie Pagani

So tonight we’ve got the Ewan MacDonald parole denial. Sounds like a good decision. I’m sure had he not been tried for the murder of his brother-in-law he might have had a chance of getting out this early into his sentence. The most bizarre part of this though was his lawyer after the decision was released, he made this speech to the media (while almost in tears) asking for the privacy of McDonald’s children to be respected and to just report on the day’s proceedings and not do anything else. Doesn’t sound like he has a great lawyer – I mean using the Brown Defence is a bit demeaning.  Read more »

Colin Craig’s Whaleoil Approved/ Disapproved Policies

Colin Craig is featured in the Sunday Star Times in an article by Andrea Vance. They look at his top ten policies.

Lt’s run my rule over them and look at what is crazy and what is acceptable.

Craig’s List [WO: Haha, most voters won’t get that joke]

Who are the Conservative Party – and what do they believe? Steve Kilgallon comes up with 10 of their more interesting policy platforms:

1. Spending beyond their means: Leader Colin Craig says he’d like to match Australia’s defence spending at a “percentage level”. According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute’s figures, Australia’s defence budget is US$26.1 billion. Ours is $1.358 billion. If Craig’s sums are based on GDP, it means an extra $1.55 billion; if it’s on population, it means another $4.87 billion. Either way, it’s a lot of guns.

More Guns, but what is he going to cut to fund everything else? A bit gay.

2. If it wasn’t immediately obvious, more guns: Craig would consider introducing national service in return for free tertiary education. And let everyone else have a gun too: the right to bear arms, and the “Castle Doctrine” (basically, the right to shoot burglars).

First bit hasn’t been costed so totally gay. The Castle Doctrine should be a bottom line. I am a big supporter of the right to bear arms and the right to defend your house.  Read more »

Anti-fluoride looneys put kids through misery

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People in hamilton should be made aware of these details that have emerged from Australia about the perils of removing fluoride from drinking water.

The loons that propose this are akin to the same fools who promote homeopathy, they are quacks and should almost be prosecuted.

Young children from parts of northern NSW without fluoridated water are being hospitalised for mass extractions of rotten teeth at nearly twice the rate of other children.

Dentists and paediatricians in Lismore and Ballina say tooth decay among young children is at Third-World levels.

The situation has prompted the Australian Dental Association to urge the federal government to use its influence to force councils swayed by ”fringe groups who peddle fear … and conspiracy theories” to embrace water fluoridation.

In a statement intended to make water fluoridation an election issue, the association’s federal president, Karin Alexander, said the government needed to make fluoridation of drinking water a condition of funding for all states and territories, particularly NSW and Queensland, or face a rising tide of child dental emergencies.

Interesting Shark Facts

Since it is Shark Week it is appropriate that we look at some interesting stuff about sharks…when will discovery have a Cow Week, they should cows kill more people every year than sharks and are far more vicious and nasty.

Anyway I digress…let’s look at sharks teeth. it seems they are pretty cool…perhaps we could get some genetic modification going to engineering this useful feature.

[S]harks, as a group, do have one evolutionary leg (fin?) up on us humans — one that has nothing to do with the terrifying sharpness of their enormous teeth and everything to do with the evolutionary resilience of those teeth. Sharks, it turns out, can’t get cavities.  Read more »

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