Fluorine

Anti-fluoride weirdos upset at proposed law change

Anti-fluoride weirdos are outraged at a proposal before government to clarify the law regarding fluoride…ironically that came about as a result of their appeal.

Anti-fluoride campaigners are alarmed at a “sinister” move to slide through a law change over Christmas, validating councils’ power to add the chemical to drinking water.

Medsafe opened public submissions on November 25 on a law change to stop fluoride being legally defined as a medicine – meaning it can be added to municipal water supplies. The deadline for submissions is this Friday.

The law change comes after a High Court justice said the law needed clarification, as he ruled against an appeal by anti-fluoride groups to stop fluoride being added to water.

David Sloan, the director of anti-fluoridation lobby group New Health New Zealand, said the Ministry of Health was rushing the law change. But the organisation’s request to extend the timeframe for submissions outside of the Christmas and New Year period was dismissed by the Ministry of Health.

“We’re a voluntary organisation and all have jobs, so to expect us to put together a good submission in that timeframe is terrible,” Sloan said. “This is kind of a sinister move by the Ministry of Health.”

The change comes after New Health New Zealand sought a judicial review against the Attorney General, arguing that fluoride was subject to the Medicines Act.     Read more »

An email from Dr. Rob Beaglehole about the Marlborough sugar ban

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Yesterday I ran an article about the strange decision of the Marlborough District Council to look at banning sugary drinks.

I also gave Dr. Rob Beaglehole a sound kicking as well.

I am opposed to councils meddling like this, especially if that same council has decided not to put fluoride in their water. It is my contention that in the case highlighted yesterday that poor parenting firstly and then intransigent councils are the problem, not sugar in drinks.

Dr. Beaglehole phoned me yesterday and we had a friendly discussion about the issue. I suspect we will never agree on the issue of sugary drinks but we do agree on fluoride.

He has emailed me his thoughts and I publish those unedited and with his permission.  Read more »

Guest post: Fluoridation

After SB’s post about Vaccination I received a guest submission about fluoridation.

Hi team

Really impressed about SB post about vaccination. It is so hard to find any unemotional look at the data/facts. Both sides rely heavily on the emotions/guilt/worry/fear deal.

Please find attached a guest post about water fluoridation. The TL;DR summary is that I stated to write a submission about how I don’t support water fluoridation. However as I went through all the points against it, I found them to be half truths. So have changed my mind and now support it. But the difference between un-fluoridated and fluoridated is becoming less as fluoride becomes more common in our environment. So at some time in the future we will no longer need it. Also there are very serious risks of babies being bottle feed obtaining to much fluoride and having health effects.

Have not seen real rebuttals of the anti-fluoride people, so hence this doc. The irony is that an anti-fluoride person drinking a cup of tea gets more fluoride from the tea, than the water! Offered it to the MSM but no one would take it…..

If you tell me the day it is going to be published I can be online for any comments (can’t be Sat or Sun as out for weekend).

Cheers

David


Water fluoridation

A seminal moment occurred to me while at university. And like many such pivotal moments it occurred completely unexpectantly. One day while striding down the university corridor in my tall black leader boots, ripped jeans, long trenchcoat and long hair I got trapped behind to old lecturers slowly ambling down the passage to tea. They were really old, at least 30! One turned to the other and said “ the problem with the system is that by the time we get student to PhD or higher and they can know really start to question things, they are so indoctrinated in the way things are, that they are not willing/able to question things.” This has stayed with me every since as a warning to always be open minded and question the commonly held truisms.

My journey with fluoride begin like most with believing that is was great. But then doing some reading some years ago changed to thinking it was at best a scam and worst a poison. However I didn’t care to much as we were not on town supply, so it was a moot point. Recently Hamilton re-examined its views on fluoridation and as such I went to write a brief facebook post about how they should get ride of it. In this process I realized my belief was based upon some figures I had read, that being dyslexic I had got wrong by a factor of 10. Thus I needed to reexamine by beliefs once again.

This time I seriously looked at every claim the anti-fluoride peoples made, and considered their validity. Most, but not all, fall under the title of half truth or selective data picking. That is there is some truth in their statements but they are not telling the whole picture. These are quickly dealt with before getting onto the arguments, which ironically are not the major ones but forward, that have substance.   Read more »

The hype of the scientists, caught out again

One of the refrains from warmists is that the science is settled, no more arguments can be countenanced, the earth is warming and the scientists almost all agree.

It is of course a fallacy that the scientists agree and the 97% figure claimed has been thoroughly debunked.

There was a time  when scientists presented evidence and other scientists examined the work and either supported the hypothesis or destroyed it. These days they seem more intent on developing consensus rather than proof.

We have seen this before too, remember the Ozone calamity?

Well apparently that was as over hyped by the scientists as the current climate scare….and so too is the “fix” to the ozone layer.

Matt Ridley writes:

My recent Times column argued that the alleged healing of the ozone layer is exaggerated, but so was the impact of the ozone hole over Antarctica:

The ozone layer is healing. Or so said the news last week. Thanks to a treaty signed in Montreal in 1989 to get rid of refrigerant chemicals called chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), the planet’s stratospheric sunscreen has at last begun thickening again. Planetary disaster has been averted by politics.

For reasons I will explain, this news deserves to be taken with a large pinch of salt. You do not have to dig far to find evidence that the ozone hole was never nearly as dangerous as some people said, that it is not necessarily healing yet and that it might not have been caused mainly by CFCs anyway.

The timing of the announcement was plainly political: it came on the 25th anniversary of the treaty, and just before a big United Nations climate conference in New York, the aim of which is to push for a climate treaty modelled on the ozone one.

Here’s what was actually announced last week, in the words of a Nasa scientist, Paul Newman: “From 2000 to 2013, ozone levels climbed 4 per cent in the key mid-northern latitudes.” That’s a pretty small change and it is in the wrong place. The ozone thinning that worried everybody in the 1980s was over Antarctica.

Over northern latitudes, ozone concentration has been falling by about 4 per cent each March before recovering. Over Antarctica, since 1980, the ozone concentration has fallen by  40 or 50 per cent each September before the sun rebuilds it.

So what’s happening to the Antarctic ozone hole? Thanks to a diligent blogger named Anthony Watts, I came across a press release also from Nasa about nine months ago, which said: “ Two new studies show that signs of recovery are not yet present, and that temperature and winds are still driving any annual changes in ozone hole size.”    Read more »

NZ’s dodgiest LBP Nominee – Tricia Cheel

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Tricia Cheel – Charlatan, ratbag and tinfoil-hat wearer

Most of the profiles of the hopeful and hopeless presented so far have distinguished themselves in the fields of financial incompetence or legal mischief.

Here’s a candidate for Auckland Mayor, the Albany Ward and the Auckland District Health Board who qualifies by ticking two dingbat boxes:

An anti-fluoridationist who is also a Homeopath.

After many years feeling only half alive was totally astonished to find health improved dramatically in 2012 when simply stopped drinking fluoridated tap water!

Now fighting fit to get rid of highly toxic hydrofluosilicic acid from our water supply, and have 23 years experience with proven organic methods to replace the nasty pesticides presently used for weed control. Auckland could be “As Free As” possible of toxic chemicals, waste & other pollution so the people can flourish without these burdens.  Read more »