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Anti-fluoride weirdos upset at proposed law change

Anti-fluoride weirdos are outraged at a proposal before government to clarify the law regarding fluoride…ironically that came about as a result of their appeal.

Anti-fluoride campaigners are alarmed at a “sinister” move to slide through a law change over Christmas, validating councils’ power to add the chemical to drinking water.

Medsafe opened public submissions on November 25 on a law change to stop fluoride being legally defined as a medicine – meaning it can be added to municipal water supplies. The deadline for submissions is this Friday.

The law change comes after a High Court justice said the law needed clarification, as he ruled against an appeal by anti-fluoride groups to stop fluoride being added to water.

David Sloan, the director of anti-fluoridation lobby group New Health New Zealand, said the Ministry of Health was rushing the law change. But the organisation’s request to extend the timeframe for submissions outside of the Christmas and New Year period was dismissed by the Ministry of Health.

“We’re a voluntary organisation and all have jobs, so to expect us to put together a good submission in that timeframe is terrible,” Sloan said. “This is kind of a sinister move by the Ministry of Health.”

The change comes after New Health New Zealand sought a judicial review against the Attorney General, arguing that fluoride was subject to the Medicines Act. ? ? Read more »

An email from Dr. Rob Beaglehole about the Marlborough sugar ban

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Yesterday I?ran an article about the strange decision of the Marlborough District Council to look at banning sugary drinks.

I also gave Dr. Rob Beaglehole a sound kicking as well.

I am opposed to councils meddling like this, especially if that same council has decided not to put fluoride in their water. It is my contention that in the case highlighted yesterday that poor parenting firstly and then intransigent councils are the problem, not sugar in drinks.

Dr. Beaglehole phoned me yesterday and we had a friendly discussion about the issue. I suspect we will never agree on the issue of sugary drinks but we do agree on fluoride.

He has emailed me his thoughts and I publish those unedited and with his permission.? Read more »

Guest post: Fluoridation

After SB’s post about Vaccination I received a guest submission about fluoridation.

Hi team

Really impressed about SB post about vaccination. It is so hard to find any unemotional look at the data/facts. Both sides rely heavily on the emotions/guilt/worry/fear deal.

Please find attached a guest post about water fluoridation. The TL;DR summary is that I stated to write a submission about how I don’t support water fluoridation. However as I went through all the points against it, I found them to be half truths. So have changed my mind and now support it. But the difference between un-fluoridated and fluoridated is becoming less as fluoride becomes more common in our environment. So at some time in the future we will no longer need it. Also there are very serious risks of babies being bottle feed obtaining to much fluoride and having health effects.

Have not seen real rebuttals of the anti-fluoride people, so hence this doc. The irony is that an anti-fluoride person drinking a cup of tea gets more fluoride from the tea, than the water! Offered it to the MSM but no one would take it…..

If you tell me the day it is going to be published I can be online for any comments (can’t be Sat or Sun as out for weekend).

Cheers

David


Water fluoridation

A seminal moment occurred to me while at university. And like many such pivotal moments it occurred completely unexpectantly. One day while striding down the university corridor in my tall black leader boots, ripped jeans, long trenchcoat and long hair I got trapped behind to old lecturers slowly ambling down the passage to tea. They were really old, at least 30! One turned to the other and said ? the problem with the system is that by the time we get student to PhD or higher and they can know really start to question things, they are so indoctrinated in the way things are, that they are not willing/able to question things.? This has stayed with me every since as a warning to always be open minded and question the commonly held truisms.

My journey with fluoride begin like most with believing that is was great. But then doing some reading some years ago changed to thinking it was at best a scam and worst a poison. However I didn?t care to much as we were not on town supply, so it was a moot point. Recently Hamilton re-examined its views on fluoridation and as such I went to write a brief facebook post about how they should get ride of it. In this process I realized my belief was based upon some figures I had read, that being dyslexic I had got wrong by a factor of 10. Thus I needed to reexamine by beliefs once again.

This time I seriously looked at every claim the anti-fluoride peoples made, and considered their validity. Most, but not all, fall under the title of half truth or selective data picking. That is there is some truth in their statements but they are not telling the whole picture. These are quickly dealt with before getting onto the arguments, which ironically are not the major ones but forward, that have substance. ? Read more »

Anti-fluoride looneys put kids through misery

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People in hamilton should be made aware of these details that have emerged from Australia about the perils of removing fluoride from drinking water.

The loons that propose this are akin to the same fools who promote homeopathy, they are quacks and should almost be prosecuted.

Young children from parts of northern NSW without fluoridated water are being hospitalised for mass extractions of rotten teeth at nearly twice the rate of other children.

Dentists and paediatricians in Lismore and Ballina say tooth decay among young children is at Third-World levels.

The situation has prompted the Australian Dental Association to urge the federal government to use its influence to force councils swayed by ”fringe groups who peddle fear ? and conspiracy theories” to embrace water fluoridation.

In a statement intended to make water fluoridation an election issue, the association’s federal president, Karin Alexander, said the government needed to make fluoridation of drinking water a condition of funding for all states and territories, particularly NSW and Queensland, or face a rising tide of child dental emergencies.

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